Formal Charge Question

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Bita Ghanei 1F
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Formal Charge Question

Postby Bita Ghanei 1F » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:48 pm

In order for two resonance structures to be valid, do they have to have the same formal charges on all their atoms? Or do they have to sum up to have the same overall charge?

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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby Montana James 4G » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:01 pm

They just have to sum up to the same overall charge, as far as I know. Not sure if this is what you mean, but some resonant structures are more stable than others due to the formal charges of all the atoms being lower (i.e, all of them being 0 or +1 versus one atom being +2 and others being 0)

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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby Cynthia Gong 1L » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:53 pm

The most stable and ideal resonance structure would have a formal charge of 0 on each individual atom. However, that may not happen if the molecule is charged. If we have something such as SO4(2-), then the individual formal charges on each individual atom should add up to a total of -2. If a resonance structure's charge adds up correctly, it is valid, but the most ideal structure would have formal charges of 0 on each atom or on at least the central atom.

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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby Caitlyn Tran 2E » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:56 pm

I believe that the textbook said a resonance structure is any structure in which the atoms are in the same place, but the bonds or location of electrons can move around. In this sense, resonance structures do not all have to be the lowest charge, but I think if we were asked about resonance structures on a test, we are only expected to put the most stable ones. Hope this helps!

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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby emma brinton_3B » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:28 am

no the resonance structures do not need to have the same formal charge for all the atoms. The only thing that must stay the same is the overall charge. the difference in formal charge is what causes one molecule structure to be more stable or favorable than others.

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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby vanessas0123 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:34 pm

Sum up to the overall charge!

Astrid Lunde 1I
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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby Astrid Lunde 1I » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:57 pm

They have to add up to the same formal charge.

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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby Ellen Amico 2L » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:07 pm

They should just sum up to the overall charge! For example if your structure is an ion that has a charge of -2, the formal charges should add up to that. But the formal charges on the atom for each resonance structure will vary because the bonds vary.

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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby AmyL_3L » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:14 am

The formal charges of all the atoms in a resonance structure should sum up to have the same overall charge as the other resonance structure. The formal charge of an atom can vary.

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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby Ying Yan 1F » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:49 pm

For all molecular structures the atoms should have a formal charge where the molecule equal zero or equal to the charged the molecule is assigned. I hope that helps!

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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby SVajragiri_1C » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:22 pm

The only requirement is for the sum of the formal charges to add up to the overall charge.

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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby Veronica Lu 2H » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:20 pm

they need to all add up and equal the overall charge

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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby jvera4b » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:30 pm

They have to sum up to the overall formal charge. Each atom's formal charge may vary but they all have to add up to the same overall charge.

Jacob Villar 2C
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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby Jacob Villar 2C » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:41 pm

The total formal charge should be equal between resonance structures, although the charges of the individual atoms may differ.

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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby Merin Padayatty 3G » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:30 pm

The formal charge of a resonance structure should be equal to the atom's overall charge.

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Re: Formal Charge Question

Postby Jacob Villar 2C » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:28 pm

Yeah the resonance structures should amount to the same overall charge.


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