Quick Question about SO4


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FCervania 1B
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Quick Question about SO4

Postby FCervania 1B » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:02 pm

Hello,
I was looking at the SO4 Lewis Diagrams on page 82 of the course reader, and was wondering how exactly it was determined that Structure B is a more stable structure. I understand later we learned that double bonds are stronger, but if all we have was the bonds to electrons, then don't we already have enough information to decide which is the more stable structure? Why do we need to know the Formal Charge per atom in this case?

Thank you,

Odalis Section 1E
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Re: Quick Question about SO4

Postby Odalis Section 1E » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:54 pm

I believe that the second structure is more stable because you want the least amount of negatives in the formal charge. For example in the first structure you have 4 (-1) formal charges and in the second one you only have 2. If I am wrong please correct me.

404768057
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Re: Quick Question about SO4

Postby 404768057 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:25 pm

Structure B is better because it shows that S has a lower formal charge when the double bonds are created which makes it more stable.

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Re: Quick Question about SO4

Postby Davalanya 1F » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:30 pm

Isn't the most stable structure an average of them all?

I know that you can't calculate a formal charge of a molecule because you need to add them all up to see what the total formal charge is. You calculate it by element.

Helen Shi 1J
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Re: Quick Question about SO4

Postby Helen Shi 1J » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:31 pm

If both structures have the same net charge then why is one "better" than the other?

JELCI_BARRAZA_1C
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Re: Quick Question about SO4

Postby JELCI_BARRAZA_1C » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:58 pm

Are there any other elements that can have more than are exceptions to the octet rule, and have more electrons than eight?

Sydney Briggs 1B
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Re: Quick Question about SO4

Postby Sydney Briggs 1B » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:09 pm

404768057 wrote:Structure B is better because it shows that S has a lower formal charge when the double bonds are created which makes it more stable.


How do you determine is a structure is better than another?

Christy Zhao 1H
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Re: Quick Question about SO4

Postby Christy Zhao 1H » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:47 pm

It can be determined by calculating the formal charge of the element. The lower the number of formal charges, the more stable the structure.

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Re: Quick Question about SO4

Postby Jesus Rodriguez 1J » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:56 pm

Calculating the formal charge of the each element and you add them up to determine how stable a molecule is.


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