Formal Charge equation


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Katherine Chhen 3I
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Formal Charge equation

Postby Katherine Chhen 3I » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:13 pm

I know that the formal charge equation is FC=V-(L+S/2), but my TA taught us FC=V-(L+B), with B representing the bond length, is this equation essentially the same?

Tai Metzger 3K
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Re: Formal Charge equation

Postby Tai Metzger 3K » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:35 pm

I'm not sure if their the same thing but you should probably stick to the one Dr. Lavelle gave.

MinuChoi
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Re: Formal Charge equation

Postby MinuChoi » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:39 pm

Bond length probably won't work for that.
But that form FC=V-(L+B) would work for B = number of bonds that atom has (+1 for singles, +2 for doubles), which is essentially the same thing as S/2.
It's actually easier for me personally to do FC = V - (L+B) because I can simply count the number of bonds the atom has then count them as pairs, then divide by 2.

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Re: Formal Charge equation

Postby Jasmine Fendi 1D » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:57 pm

hello! the equation for formal charge may be confusing, so my TA told us that you do not have to memorize it. I think you can calculate it using the number of valence electrons from the periodic table and the number of shared electrons in the lewis structure

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Re: Formal Charge equation

Postby Tiffany Chao 2H » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:02 pm

I think you should just stick with the one Dr. Lavelle gave us. The problem probably wouldn't give you bond length in the first place so you couldn't figure out the formal charge with the equation your TA gave you.

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Re: Formal Charge equation

Postby Pegah Nasseri 1K » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:23 pm

It is easier to use the equation that Lavelle gave us in class for formal charge. Another quick way for calculating formal charge without using the equation is by simply knowing the number of valence electrons an element has and subtracting that by the amount of valence electrons it has in the lewis structure. For example, for the molecule CCl4 the lewis structure would have Carbon as the central atom bonded to 4 chlorines. Each bond it forms with a chlorine is a single bond. So you know that Carbon has 4 valence electrons by looking at the periodic table. In the lewis structure, Carbon forms 4 bonds which is a total of 8 electrons. You would divide 8 by 2 because the electron pairs are being shared, meaning that in the lewis structure Carbon has 4 valence electrons. Subtracting 4 by 4 would give you zero and so the formal charge is zero. In this way, you are doing the exact same thing as the equation Lavelle gave us but it is faster because you can just count the number of electrons the element has in the lewis structure (only count 1 electron if it is a single bond because it is a shared electron pair) and subtract it from the original valence electrons of the element.

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Re: Formal Charge equation

Postby 805097738 » Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:49 am

I think you misunderstood what B represents. Your TA was probably referring to the number of bonds, which would work for the equation.

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Re: Formal Charge equation

Postby Jessica Tran_3K » Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:30 am

How often are we supposed to use formal charge to check our lewis structures? Do you check it every time?

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Re: Formal Charge equation

Postby sbottomley3a » Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:41 am

One way to simplify the equation that Lavelle gave us in class is to take the total number of valence electrons in your compound, and then subtract the number of 'sticks' (or bonds) and subtract the number of 'dots' (lone electrons). For me, this saves time and I always get the same formal charge that I would have gotten using Lavelle's equation.

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Re: Formal Charge equation

Postby Jaci Glassick 2G » Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:27 am

I'm not exactly sure but I think the B stands for number of bonds, not the bond length. But when in doubt, just stick with the equation Dr. Lavelle gave us. Hope this helps!


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