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Nare Arakelian Dis 3E
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central atom

Postby Nare Arakelian Dis 3E » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:11 pm

Do we want to make it so that the central atom has a formal charge of zero?

Elizabeth Johnson 1I
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Re: central atom

Postby Elizabeth Johnson 1I » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:13 pm

yes! If it's possible, you're going to want the charges to be on the surrounding atoms rather than the central atom. I honestly couldn't tell you exactly why it's better, but it's better to not have a localized charge.

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Re: central atom

Postby Alfred Barrion 2H » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:15 pm

You would want the formal charge on the central atom to be closer to zero because its supposed to be the least electronegative.

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Re: central atom

Postby 005162902 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:20 pm

Yes! If the formal charge of the central atom is zero, the central atom is in a stable state.

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Re: central atom

Postby selatran1h » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:23 pm

yes, ideally the central atom should have a formal charge of zero to create the most stable lewis structure.

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Re: central atom

Postby derinceltik1K » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:56 pm

you would want the central atom to have the lowest possible formal charge. It is better for outside atoms to carry the charge than the central atom.

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Re: central atom

Postby Jasmine Fendi 1D » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:24 pm

yes! I think that it is better to have the charge on the most electronegative atom, such as oxygen

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Re: central atom

Postby Angela Patel 2J » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:02 am

How do we know what the central atom should be?

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Re: central atom

Postby lauraxie2e » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:17 am

yes ideally you want every atom to have a formal charge of 0

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Re: central atom

Postby Anish Patel 4B » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:19 am

APatel_4A wrote:How do we know what the central atom should be?


The central atom is usually the least electronegative one.

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Re: central atom

Postby AniP_2D » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:24 am

Yes, when drawing a lewis structure, the optimal structure will have a central atom with formal charge 0. It would be ideal for all of the atoms to have a formal charge of 0, but since this is not always possible your main concern should be to make the central atom have a formal charge of 0.

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Re: central atom

Postby AronCainBayot2K » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:42 am

The central atom should be the most electronegative and while creating Lewis Structures, you want the formal charge to be as close to 0 as possible. You may need to change/add bonds such as by adding double bonds to fulfill that formal charge, it just depends on the compound given.

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Re: central atom

Postby Astrid Lunde 1I » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:26 pm

APatel_4A wrote:How do we know what the central atom should be?


It is the least electronegative atom

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Re: central atom

Postby Astrid Lunde 1I » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:31 pm

Yes, the optimal structure would be the middle atom having a 0 charge.

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Re: central atom

Postby PGao_1B » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:55 pm

Yes, we want to make it so that the central atom has a formal charge of zero, or as close to zero as it can get - that would be the ideal situation.

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Re: central atom

Postby Abigail_Hagen2G » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:15 pm

Yes, the central atom should have a zero charge

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Re: central atom

Postby Patricia Chan 1C » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:13 pm

Yes, ideally the central atom should have a formal charge of 0. This is because we want the central atom to be the least electronegative atom of the molecule.

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Re: central atom

Postby Daniel Yu 1E » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:34 pm

What do you do for exceptions? Such as in an atom consisting of N and O, which would be the central atom? O technically has the lower ionization energy than N. Does the number of desired bonds matter when considering the central atom more than the electronegativity?

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Re: central atom

Postby Aman Sankineni 2L » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:47 pm

Daniel Yu 1I wrote:What do you do for exceptions? Such as in an atom consisting of N and O, which would be the central atom? O technically has the lower ionization energy than N. Does the number of desired bonds matter when considering the central atom more than the electronegativity?

I believe the atom with the lower ionization energy still should be the central atom.

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Re: central atom

Postby Max Madrzyk Dis 4G » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:49 pm

Yes, you always want the most formal charges to be zero in any way that is possible.

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Re: central atom

Postby Jacob Villar 2C » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:50 pm

At a formal charge of zero, the atom would be the most stable, so yes.

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Re: central atom

Postby Elizabeth Johnson 1I » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:22 pm

Alfred Barrion 3E wrote:You would want the formal charge on the central atom to be closer to zero because its supposed to be the least electronegative.


this confuses me bc in our discussion, our TA gave the example of PCl5, which has a -1 charge. The lewis structure has the P in the middle with a formal charge of -1, but that conflicts with the general rule of wanted the charge to be delocalized. Why?


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