Best Formal Charge


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Tracy Tolentino_2E
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Best Formal Charge

Postby Tracy Tolentino_2E » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:37 pm

How do we know if the structure is the best if the formal charge for all the atoms are not 0? Like is it better for the outer atoms to have a formal charge of 0 while the central atom is not 0 or would the opposite be better?

Maya Serota 3G
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Re: Best Formal Charge

Postby Maya Serota 3G » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:39 pm

You want the most electronegative atom to carry any extra negative charge and the least electronegative atom to carry any extra positive charge.

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Re: Best Formal Charge

Postby Kristina Rizo 2K » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:22 am

Maya Serota 3G wrote:You want the most electronegative atom to carry any extra negative charge and the least electronegative atom to carry any extra positive charge.

So this means that any atom closer to the top right of the table should be the ones to carry the negative charge since they have a stronger pull on electrons right?

Manav Govil 1B
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Re: Best Formal Charge

Postby Manav Govil 1B » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:17 am

For the question right above this comment:

Exactly. Atoms such as fluorine and oxygen are highly electronegative and are able to pull electrons closer to themselves. Putting a negative on them only makes sense because they have a natural tendency to be negative in a molecule.

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Re: Best Formal Charge

Postby sarahforman_Dis2I » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:16 am

Manav Govil 4A wrote:For the question right above this comment:

Exactly. Atoms such as fluorine and oxygen are highly electronegative and are able to pull electrons closer to themselves. Putting a negative on them only makes sense because they have a natural tendency to be negative in a molecule.


This is correct. Additionally, it is important to note that it is very unlikely for an extremely electronegative element (such as O, N, F, Cl) to have a positive charge, as the ionization energy of those elements is extremely high. To summarize what others are saying, place the most negative formal charge on the most electronegative element in order to show that the most electronegative element will be the most likely to attract the bonding electron.

Ruby Richter 2L
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Re: Best Formal Charge

Postby Ruby Richter 2L » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:22 pm

I'm a little confused about what ionization energy has to do with the fact that it is very unlikely for an extremely electronegative element (such as O, N, F, Cl) to have a positive charge?

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Re: Best Formal Charge

Postby sarahforman_Dis2I » Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:13 pm

Ruby Richter 4G wrote:I'm a little confused about what ionization energy has to do with the fact that it is very unlikely for an extremely electronegative element (such as O, N, F, Cl) to have a positive charge?


Ionization energy is the energy needed to remove an electron. Elements that have high ionization energies have high ionization energies because the positive charge in the nucleus has a greater pull on the valence electrons (the effective nuclear charge is larger). If elements are very electronegative, they have a high affinity for bonding electrons, meaning that since they have a higher effective nuclear charge, the electrons are mole likely to be distributed closer to that element. To answer your question, if an element has a high electronegativity, it must have a high effective nuclear charge (or relative pull of the nucleus on valence electrons), meaning that it will take MORE energy to take one electron away from the element (Ionization energy). Since the effective nuclear charge is large for very electronegative elements, it is going to take a lot more energy to remove an electron (make the atom more positive). I hope that helps

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Re: Best Formal Charge

Postby Juana Abana 1G » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:03 pm

Yes, the most electronegative atom should be the one to carry the negative charge since it has a stronger pull of electrons.


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