Octet exceptions

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Octet exceptions

Postby 1K Kevin » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:25 pm

Hi,
Elements that are in period 3 and up can have expanded shells that hold more than 8 but will they always have more or when can they?

Ibrahim Malik 1H
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Re: Octet exceptions

Postby Ibrahim Malik 1H » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:33 pm

S, P, Si, and Cl are common elements that can form an octet because they can utilize the d-orbital found in the 3rd energy level. Elements generally will only want to fill their octet and only go over and expand their octet if they have to, with these 4 elements being able to have an expanded octet.

Brian Chang 2H
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Re: Octet exceptions

Postby Brian Chang 2H » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:31 pm

Technically any element in the 3rd row and beyond has access to their d-orbitals, but we only really see elements in group 15,16, and 17 do this because it's highly unlikely for elements like Boron, Aluminium, or Gallium to ever have an expanded octet.

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Lia Inadomi 1I
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Re: Octet exceptions

Postby Lia Inadomi 1I » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:15 pm

Why can they have expanded shells?

Minsub Lee 3E
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Re: Octet exceptions

Postby Minsub Lee 3E » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:16 pm

They can have expanded valence shells because they have d-orbitals to accommodate additional electrons.

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Re: Octet exceptions

Postby EllaBerry » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:24 pm

Elements in period three can, but don't always have to, have an expanded octet. Usually just P, Cl, and S will in that period.

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Re: Octet exceptions

Postby yuetao4k » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:13 am

Elements that are past the 3rd period can have an expanded octet, but it depends on what the compound is to determine whether or not it needs to use an expanded octet.

Matthew Choi 2H
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Re: Octet exceptions

Postby Matthew Choi 2H » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:53 am

If you look at the principal levels: the 1st principal level only has an s sublevel, the 2nd has an s and a p sublevel, and the 3rd has an s, p, and d sublevel. In order to achieve more than an octet, an atom must have access to the d sublevel in order to go past their octet. This is why atoms in the 3rd principal level and beyond are the only ones that can do this.

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Re: Octet exceptions

Postby Ethan Breaux 2F » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:57 am

In all honesty, the octet rule is pretty worthless after the few elements in the 2nd row that it applies to. We just pretend that it continues but hardly anyone knows anything about any element after the 3rd row.


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