Limit to expanded octet

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Aedra Li 3H
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Limit to expanded octet

Postby Aedra Li 3H » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:29 am

Is there a certain amount of lone pairs or bonds that an expanded octet can have?

Ariel Davydov 1C
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Re: Limit to expanded octet

Postby Ariel Davydov 1C » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:22 am

It would most likely be limited to the number of electrons available in the element's d-orbital. Typically though, you would use the formal charge of the element to determine how many electrons its expanded octet would typically hold at its lowest energy state.

ZevMarx-Kahn3C
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Re: Limit to expanded octet

Postby ZevMarx-Kahn3C » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:49 pm

What if the element also has the f-orbital available to it?

ChristianM3F
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Re: Limit to expanded octet

Postby ChristianM3F » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:53 pm

Also, so if the expanded octet rule would be limited by the space in the d/f orbitals, would that mean:
-elements in the p-block on period 3 can have an expanded octet of up to... ten electrons..?
-elements in the d-block on period 4 can have an expanded octet of up to 10-how many electrons are in the d-block already. For example, Iron can have an expanded octet of four more electrons (since there's room for four more electrons in the d-block...)
Can anyone confirm? Or at least say their thoughts..?

Kevin Liu 1J
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Re: Limit to expanded octet

Postby Kevin Liu 1J » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:03 am

Expanded octet often is restrained to those with odd number of valence electrons

AnayaArnold_3L
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Re: Limit to expanded octet

Postby AnayaArnold_3L » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:39 pm

it usually involves the number of valence electrons available in either the d or p block.

san_2F
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Re: Limit to expanded octet

Postby san_2F » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:19 pm

The limit would have to do with number of electrons an entire molecule can have and the formal charges.

Adelpha Chan 1B
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Re: Limit to expanded octet

Postby Adelpha Chan 1B » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:05 pm

Aedra Li 3H wrote:Is there a certain amount of lone pairs or bonds that an expanded octet can have?

The amount of lone pairs or bonds are limited to the amount of un-bonded pairs available in the atom. The number of electrons available in the expanded octet are restricted to the capacity of the d and f orbital.


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