dipole moments

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dipole moments

Postby emmaferry2D » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:01 pm

When drawing the arrow for net delta and delta positive in a molecule with a dipole moment which way does the arrow point? I believe in the textbook it said the arrow head should be pointed towards the delta positive atom, but I think in lectures lavelle was doing the opposite.

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Re: dipole moments

Postby Savana Maxfield 3F » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:07 pm

I've understood it as the arrow points to the more electronegative element. But if someone else has a better explanation I would be interested to hear!

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Re: dipole moments

Postby SashaAnand2J » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:21 pm

Follow Dr. Lavelle! The arrow should be pointing towards the negative dipole, because it indicates where electrons are being pulled.

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Re: dipole moments

Postby Ayesha Aslam-Mir 3C » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:37 pm

Would you only draw these for a dipole moment though? I guess I want to know when you would even draw the arrows; would it be in an ionic compound specifically, or the temporary dipole moment in covalent compounds? Also, I wanted to clarify you wouldn't have a dipole moment in a compound made of the same element.

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Re: dipole moments

Postby Lillian » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:41 pm

SashaAnand3G wrote:Follow Dr. Lavelle! The arrow should be pointing towards the negative dipole, because it indicates where electrons are being pulled.


What determines the negative dipole again?

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Re: dipole moments

Postby Brian_Wu_3B » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:27 am

A negative dipole is the more electronegative element because they pull harder on the electrons compared to the other atom.

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Re: dipole moments

Postby Charlotte Adams 1A » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:46 am

I went to Johnathan's step-up and he gave us a little trick: the side of the arrow with the dashed line looks like a plus sign so you draw the plus sign end on the positive particle charge and draw the arrowhead toward the negative partial charge. Also, I just remember electrons are moving toward the more electronegative atom so the arrow points toward that atom.

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Re: dipole moments

Postby AnnaNovoselov1G » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:58 am

Lillian wrote:
SashaAnand3G wrote:Follow Dr. Lavelle! The arrow should be pointing towards the negative dipole, because it indicates where electrons are being pulled.


What determines the negative dipole again?


The more electronegative atom has the negative dipole because it pulls electrons toward itself more! Electronegativity increases across a period because zeff (effective nuclear charge) increases and electronegativity decreases down a period because the shielding increases. Hope this helps!

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Re: dipole moments

Postby Keeryth Sandhu 1H » Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:33 pm

I've understood to draw the arrow towards the atom with negative partial charge (the more electronegative element)

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Re: dipole moments

Postby Lillian » Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:08 pm

AnnaNovoselov1G wrote:
Lillian wrote:
SashaAnand3G wrote:Follow Dr. Lavelle! The arrow should be pointing towards the negative dipole, because it indicates where electrons are being pulled.


What determines the negative dipole again?


The more electronegative atom has the negative dipole because it pulls electrons toward itself more! Electronegativity increases across a period because zeff (effective nuclear charge) increases and electronegativity decreases down a period because the shielding increases. Hope this helps!


Ah so if a molecule consists of one central atom and multiple equally electronegative atoms, they would cancel each other out?

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Re: dipole moments

Postby Isabella Cortes 2H » Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:13 pm

I would follow what Dr. Lavelle said and have the arrows point toward the more electronegative atoms. I hope this helps!!


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