LDF vs. Van Der Waals

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LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Andrew Nguyen 2K » Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:34 am

Are London dispersion forces and van der waals forces truly the same? I oddly recall them being taught as two separate forces but they seem to be interchangeable within this course?

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Baffour Adusei 1L » Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:41 am

Yes, I'm pretty sure they are interchangeable names.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby azurexrose » Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:42 am

As far as I've learned, they've been interchangable with each other.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Srikar_Chintala_1E » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:47 am

They are the exact same thing. The names are simply interchangeable.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby 505771920 » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:57 am

Ya based off what lavelle said in class it seems like it just depends on where you and varies from textbook to textbook because there is the also induced dipole-induced dipole

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby ElizabethKarlin2E » Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:46 pm

i think they're just two different names for the same thing.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Allison Li 2F » Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:39 pm

Yes, LDF and Van der Waal forces are the same. As professor Lavelle said in lecture, they are also referred to as induced-dipole-induced-dipole.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Trisha Nagin » Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:51 pm

Yes they are the same forces, the names are interchangeable.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Jahnavi Srinivas 2H » Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:31 pm

LDFs and Van der Waals are different names for the same forces. Induced-dipole Induced-dipole is also another term that refers to these same forces.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby SofiaMammaro-1K » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:12 pm

They are the same thing, but I think the most common name is LDF

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Jillian Sarquiz- 2B » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:17 pm

I believe they are the same force.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Fiona H 2E » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:46 pm

The two terms can be used interchangeably. Both refer to a temporary attractive force that results when the electrons in two adjacent atoms occupy positions that make the atoms from temporary dipoles :)

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Amanda Dankberg 1B » Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:30 pm

Yes they are the same thing just with different names :)

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby sidneypalacios » Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:51 pm

Yes they are the same

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Minh Nguyen 3H » Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:55 pm

The names are interchangeable, and they refer to the same force.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby 305723807 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:57 pm

yes

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Akshat Katoch 2K » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:37 pm

They are both the same thing and refer to the same force. I think that LDF is used more than Van Der Waals, but since they are the same thing it doesn't really matter how you refer to them.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Shannon Lau 14B - 1H » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:51 pm

LDFs are sometimes called Van Der Waals. London dispersion forces are defined as the intermolecular forces that occur between atoms and between non polar molecules as a result of the motion of electrons while van der Waals forces are the weakest intermolecular force and consist of dipole-dipole forces and dispersion forces. They are interchangeable and are both the weakest forces.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Abigail Tran 14a » Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:56 pm

yes they are interchangable!

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby michaelcrisera » Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:02 pm

Yes, London Dispersion Forces, Van Der Waals, and induced dipole induced dipole are all interchangeable names for the same intermolecular force.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Rachel Bartley 2B » Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:31 pm

Yes, the two are the same and can be interchanged. They are the weakest intermolecular forces that can be found whenever any atom is bound to another.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby trevina_brown_2A » Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:32 pm

Yes they are the same

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby 005493723 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:35 pm

Yes, London Dispersion Forces and Van Der Waals can be used interchangeably. They both refer to the forces that all molecules experience towards each other.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Edriana J Altea 2G » Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:25 am

Yes, what everyone is saying is correct. Those terms are the same and they are interchangeable.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby William Huang 1K » Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:29 am

LDFs and Van Der Waals are the same thing if I recall correctly

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Jessica Servoss 1H » Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:54 am

I remember learning LDF as Van Der Waals in high school chemistry, but I believe they are the same thing... there's just lots of different names for this particular force :)

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Daniel Tabibian 3K » Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:06 pm

They are the same forces. The names are interchangeable.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Samidha Menon 1E » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:48 am

London Dispersion Forces have a bunch of different names, including Van der Waals!

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby eve444 » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:20 pm

yea, they're the same thing. It's just that it has interchangeable names

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Luke Schwuchow 14A » Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:29 pm

With these names, you can use them interchangeably since they are exactly the same thing. We have these 2 names because some scientists perfer using different names.

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby Kelly_Luong_1F » Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:19 pm

Both can be used interchangeably along with induced dipole-induced dipole to refer to the same force!

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Re: LDF vs. Van Der Waals

Postby 405566265 » Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:30 pm

they're the same but VDW also includes induced dipole induced dipole etc.


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