109.5 Degrees

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Henry Krasner 1C
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109.5 Degrees

Postby Henry Krasner 1C » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:15 pm

I understand that a linear shape has 180 degrees, and a trigonal planar has 120. However, why does a tetrahedral have 109.5 degrees? Is there a specific mathematical or scientific reason behind this, or is this just a value we need to memorize?

MadisonB
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Re: 109.5 Degrees

Postby MadisonB » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:20 pm

This is because it is a three dimensional shape so its wont just be 360 divided by the number of sides. This is a link to a mathematical proof laying out how to come to 109.5 degrees. http://www.ctralie.com/Teaching/Tetrahedron/

Aurbal Popal
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Re: 109.5 Degrees

Postby Aurbal Popal » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:34 pm

If all the electron densities were on one plane, then the angle would be 90 degrees.

However, since it is a three dimensional object, it can take advantage and spread out even more into more than one plane. Since the electron densities want to be far away from each other as possible, it will do so, and make 109.5 degree bond angle, which is greater than a 90 degree one.

Emilee Hosking 1D
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Re: 109.5 Degrees

Postby Emilee Hosking 1D » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:48 pm

Are tetrahedrals and molecules that are bent with four domains the only shapes that have bond angles of 109.5?

Tiffany_Cacy_3D
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Re: 109.5 Degrees

Postby Tiffany_Cacy_3D » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:12 pm

Bent molecules actually do not have a bond angle of 109.5 degrees because the lone pairs are more electronegative and push the other atoms more closely together. This would cause the bond angle of a bent molecule to be less than 109.5, the exact value i believe was 104.5 degrees. I think the only molecule with 109.5 angle would be the tetrahedral or maybe some other larger molecules with the same sort of structure as a tetrahedral, but those would most likely have other angles as well.


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