Dipole moments

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Dipole moments

Postby CaminaB_1D » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:08 pm

How do you know when certain dipole moments cancel each other out?

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Re: Dipole moments

Postby 405169322 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:15 pm

If the molecule in question is completely symmetric than the dipole moment will cancel itself out.

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Re: Dipole moments

Postby marg44 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:18 pm

Certain Dipole moments will cancel each out when they are moving in opposite direction like when the attraction moves away from the center such as in CH4.

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Re: Dipole moments

Postby Luc Lorain 1L » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:21 pm

Dipole moments cancel each other out when they are equal in charge and opposite in direction. This can happen when a central molecule is surrounded by multiple identical atoms (such as in linear, trigonal planar, tetrahedral, or octahedral molecules like CH4 and SF6). In these structures, each surrounding atom exerts an equal pull on the central molecule's electrons (since they are identical and have the same electronegativity), and spread out to have angles as far apart as possible from each other. In this way, each atom's dipole cancels out another, creating a net dipole of zero on the molecule (thus making it nonpolar).

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Re: Dipole moments

Postby Simran Rai 4E » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:23 pm

It's also helpful to consider dipole moments similar to vectors. We would take into account magnitude and direction when cancelling out/ adding up vectors, and the same idea applies to dipole moments.

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Re: Dipole moments

Postby Connie Chen 3D » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:06 am

It depends on the shape of the molecule at hand. If the molecule is perfectly symmetrical, then forces of equal strengths will cancel out. If the molecule isn’t perfectly symmetrical then strengths will migrate to one direction. Examples of symmetrical shapes are tetrahedral and linear while examples of asymmetrical shapes are see-saw and trigonal pyramidal.

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Re: Dipole moments

Postby Anand Narayan 1G » Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:25 am

As long as each dipole moment is equal in charge and opposite in direction, then they will cancel each other out.

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Re: Dipole moments

Postby Anna O 2C » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:51 pm

Another hint in figuring out whether a molecule is going to be polar is its geometry. If the same atom is spaced around the central atom such as CH4 then the electronegativities around the central atom will be equal in magnitude and symmetrical and thus be nonpolar; for shapes with multiple atoms, there will generally be at least a slight dipole because the different atoms will have different electronegativities.

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Re: Dipole moments

Postby kamalkolluri » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:13 pm

For an example in which dipoles don't cancel out, look at CH3Cl. C is the central atom with 3 H's and 1 Cl around it. Since Cl is way more electronegative than H, the dipole moment (or partial charge) on Cl is greater than the partial charges on any of the H's. Since the electrons are unequally attracted to Cl, the dipole moments aren't equal, which means they don't cancel.

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