How to know which angles are smaller

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zfinn
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How to know which angles are smaller

Postby zfinn » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:05 pm

in a VSEPR shape with more than one angle size, i.e. seesaw, would all the angles decrease because of the lone pair (so angles are <90, <120, <180)? or do just the angles next to the lone pair bonding region decrease?

Montana James 4G
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Re: How to know which angles are smaller

Postby Montana James 4G » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:13 pm

The lone pair pushes the other regions of electron density closer to each other, making the bond angles smaller. but we can only do this qualitatively, we don't know exactly how much they change.

Leila_4G
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Re: How to know which angles are smaller

Postby Leila_4G » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:42 pm

What are the angles of the AX2E VSEPR formula? I think this is either a bent shape or trigonal planar but I'm not sure

Leila_4G
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Re: How to know which angles are smaller

Postby Leila_4G » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:43 pm

Also, what are the angles of AX5E (which I think is a square pyramidal shape)?

Dakota Walker 1L
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Re: How to know which angles are smaller

Postby Dakota Walker 1L » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:23 am

Square pyramidal shapes have slightly less than 90 degree angles.

Kishan Shah 2G
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Re: How to know which angles are smaller

Postby Kishan Shah 2G » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:43 am

@Leila: The shape of AX2E is bent. The bond angles are 120 degrees. For AX2E2 it is still bent, but the bond angles are 109.5 degrees since the two lone pairs push the two atoms further away from them therefore decreasing the angle.

Bita Ghanei 1F
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Re: How to know which angles are smaller

Postby Bita Ghanei 1F » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:23 am

For seesaw, it would just be <90 and <120
for T-shaped, it would only be <90

Sam McNeill 1E
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Re: How to know which angles are smaller

Postby Sam McNeill 1E » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:50 am

Just remember that anything with a lone pair has less than angles of the original parent electron configuration.

Adelpha Chan 1B
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Re: How to know which angles are smaller

Postby Adelpha Chan 1B » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:09 pm

Leila_4E wrote:Also, what are the angles of AX5E (which I think is a square pyramidal shape)?

the bond angles of an octahedral are 90. Therefore, as there is a lone pair in AX5E, the shape is a square pyramidal and the resulting bond angles are <90


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