Polarity and Shape

(Polar molecules, Non-polar molecules, etc.)

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Polarity and Shape

Postby Mirren Solomon Discussion 2G » Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:42 pm

When trying to figure out whether or not a molecule is polar or nonpolar, do you have to memorize if each structure is nonpolar/polar or can you figure it out by drawing the diagram?

Shivani Kapur 2J
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Re: Polarity and Shape

Postby Shivani Kapur 2J » Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:45 pm

You can draw out the molecule and if it has dipoles that do not cancel, it is polar. You can also have a nonpolar molecule with polar bonds.

Liam Bertrand 3
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Re: Polarity and Shape

Postby Liam Bertrand 3 » Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:46 pm

Drawing out the lewis structure with dipole arrows is the best way to figure this out, because you can see if they cancel.

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Re: Polarity and Shape

Postby SLai_1I » Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:49 pm

Knowing how to draw Lewis Structures would help you get by without having to memorize structures. You could draw the dipoles on the Lewis Structure and see if they cancel out.

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Re: Polarity and Shape

Postby VincentLe_3A » Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:56 pm

The polarity of a molecule depends on both the shape and dipole moments. Drawing out the molecule is the best way to get a full visual representation, which will allow you to see if the dipoles cancel out. The shape does contribute to whether the molecule is polar or non polar, but sometimes molecules can have the same VSEPR shape but one is polar and the other is not. For instance, CO2 has a linear shape and is non polar due to cancelling dipole moments, but HCN is also a linear shape but it is polar due to the dipole difference between hydrogen and nitrogen.

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Re: Polarity and Shape

Postby Sandy Lin 1L » Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:02 pm

You would have to draw it out to see if the dipoles cancel out. Both polar and nonpolar molecules can have polar bonds, but the difference is that in nonpolar molecules, you can see that the dipoles will cancel in the polar bonds pulling in opposite directions when you draw it.

Justin Nguyen 3E
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Re: Polarity and Shape

Postby Justin Nguyen 3E » Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:22 pm

As everyone above said, I don't think that there is necessarily any way to memorize the polarity of every molecule and the best way to figure out if a molecule is polar or nonpolar is to draw it out because it not only helps you determine polarity but other aspects such as the shape and types of bonds

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Re: Polarity and Shape

Postby Malakai Espinosa 3E » Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:25 pm

If you could memorize what shapes create nonpolar molecules, that is perfectly fine. However, for more complex molecules it is also helpful to know how to draw proper lewis structures to analyze whether or not certain polar bonds cancel each other out.

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Re: Polarity and Shape

Postby lwon Dis2I » Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:08 pm

How do you know if a molecule is polar?

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Re: Polarity and Shape

Postby Lilly Catarozoli 1B » Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:53 pm

I think just drawing them and seeing if the dipoles cancel out is the easiest!

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Re: Polarity and Shape

Postby Mackenzie Stockton 2H » Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:01 pm

A molecule is polar if the dipoles on the diagram do not cancel out. So, the bonds themselves must be polar (there must be an electronegativity difference between the 2 atoms) and the bonds cannot cancel out, so there is a charge separation element too.

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Re: Polarity and Shape

Postby Hailey Qasawadish 2J » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:05 pm

You can figure out if a molecule is polar or nonpolar by looking at if the dipoles cancel or not. If they do, it is nonpolar, and if they don't, it is polar. As a general rule, if the molecule has lone pairs, the molecule will be polar. Hope this helps!

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Re: Polarity and Shape

Postby Ethan Goode 2H » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:42 pm

It would be best to know how to draw the lewis structures along with their dipole moments, to see whether or not they cancel out.

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Re: Polarity and Shape

Postby AndrewNguyen_2H » Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:09 pm

I see a lot of people saying drawing the Lewis structure with the dipoles to see if they cancel, and although this would probably work a lot of the times, I would caution against this. You have to remember that dipoles exist in 3-dimensional space and not 2 dimensional, so there's room for potential error if you guess based on a Lewis structure. I recommend using Lewis to determine the geometry, and then imagining the structure in 3d space with all the dipoles. 99% of the time you can intuitively guess if the dipoles will not cancel perfectly and are hence polar. Good examples of this are any lone pair or different atoms around the central atom.


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