Sapling Q1

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Sapling Q1

Postby OwenSumter_2F » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:55 pm

So the question on Sapling Q1 is to give the systematic name of this coordination compound: [Co(NH3)4Cl2]Cl. I thought the answer was tetra ammine chloro cobalt (II) chloride, but that isn't correct. What part am I doing wrong?
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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Breanna Ouyang 1I » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:58 pm

Maybe try typing it differently? I was having a similar problem and if your answer is tetra ammine chloro cobalt (II) chloride, type it in as tetraamminechlorocobalt(II) chloride because the anion is outside and technically separate. It might also be dichloro

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby marlene 1K » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:06 pm

I would double check the way you're formatting it. I put it in all as one big word so that might be the problem. Also, double check to make sure you have it all correct in terms I kept using the wrong term for one of the pieces and that was the reason I kept getting it wrong.

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Ven Chavez 2K » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:42 pm

From what you gave it seems like there are three chlorides so maybe the oxidation state of Cobalt is (III) and not (II). So it would be tetraaminechlorocobalt(III) chloride. For example, [Co(NH3)6] Cl3 which is HexaammineCobalt(III) Chloride.

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Kiyoka Kim 3C » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:52 pm

I believe the cobalt has an oxidation state of +3 and not +2 because each Cl has a -1 charge and NH3 is a neutral compound.

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Akshata Kapadne 2K » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:29 pm

I agree with Kiyoka that cobalt should have an oxidation state of +3. Also, since there are 2 chlorines, there should be a prefix, so it would be dichloro instead of just chloro. Once you combine all the terms into one word with a space before chloride, you should be fine.

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby 505612629 » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:21 pm

Hi! I believe Cobalt's charge is 3+ instead of 2+ and spelling errors got me, so be sure you're spelling it right when submitting. Hope this helps!

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby jessicasilverstein1F » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:31 pm

I had a similar problem. The cobalt has an oxidation state of +3 and not +2 because each Cl has a -1 charge and NH3 is a neutral compound. It is not +2, but is +3. Hopefully that helps

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Brendan Duong 1I » Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:27 pm

jessicasilverstein1F wrote:I had a similar problem. The cobalt has an oxidation state of +3 and not +2 because each Cl has a -1 charge and NH3 is a neutral compound. It is not +2, but is +3. Hopefully that helps


Why would it be +3? I thought the overall charge of the molecule is neutral so +2 would cancel out the two -1s? I am confused. Is the overall charge not 0? If so, why?

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby HannahRobinson3L » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:16 am

Brendan Duong 1I wrote:
jessicasilverstein1F wrote:I had a similar problem. The cobalt has an oxidation state of +3 and not +2 because each Cl has a -1 charge and NH3 is a neutral compound. It is not +2, but is +3. Hopefully that helps


Why would it be +3? I thought the overall charge of the molecule is neutral so +2 would cancel out the two -1s? I am confused. Is the overall charge not 0? If so, why?


The overall charge is zero. You have to count the chlorine that is outside of the brackets as well, for a total of three chlorine, each with -1 charge.

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Laura 3l » Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:45 pm

Ven Chavez 2K wrote:From what you gave it seems like there are three chlorides so maybe the oxidation state of Cobalt is (III) and not (II). So it would be tetraaminechlorocobalt(III) chloride. For example, [Co(NH3)6] Cl3 which is HexaammineCobalt(III) Chloride.


I also had an issue with this problem, make sure you use the Roman numeral character in your answer. I put tetraamminechlorocobalt(III)chloride, using "(III)" to represent the Roman numeral three.

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby VincentLe_3A » Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:20 pm

The charge of the transition metal cobalt would have to be +3 because the overall charge of the coordination compound would have to be +1 in order to compensate for the -1 charge of the chloride anion. Since there are 2 chlorine anions within the coordination compound, the charge of the cobalt would have to +3 to make the overall charge of the coordination compound to be +1. This would correspond to the Roman numeral (III) following the cobalt instead of (II).

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Yashvi Reddy 1H » Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:49 pm

Hi! Great question, I also ran into some trouble with this problem. I would try what others have said above, figuring out formatting usually works for me!

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Kat Stahl 2K » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:18 pm

I got the answer Triamminetrichlorocobalt(III). Your oxidation number/charge is off.

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Pranav Daggubati 3C » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:25 pm

It should be cobalt(III), not cobalt(II), which means its tetraamminechlorocobalt(III) chloride

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby MichaelMendozaD1F » Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:11 pm

so would amine have two m's?

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Jessica Hu 3L » Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:13 pm

Not totally related, but for some of those having a problem with answering on sapling, also make sure you don't put spaces. I had tetra-ammine dichloro copper (III) chloride and they didn't take it until I changed it to tetraamminedichloro copper (III) chloride.

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Charmaine Ng 2D » Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:22 pm

As others have said already, the oxidation of the Cobalt should be +3, not +2. The entire compound has a neutral charge, and taking the chlorine outside the brackets into consideration, the coordination complex should have an overall +1 charge. This means, within the brackets, Cobalt's charge + (-2) = +1, so Cobalt's charge is +3!

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Brianna Chen 3F » Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:21 pm

In this problem, cobalt has an oxidation number of +3 instead of +2. Therefore, the roman numeral next to cobalt should be (III) not (II) because NH3 is neutral and Cl has a -1 charge. Therefore, you want the coordination sphere to have a charge of +1 to cancel out the charge of the outside Cl which is -1. Since inside the brackets has a charge of -2 due to the two Cl atoms, you need cobalt to have an oxidation number of +3 in order to assign a +1 charge overall to the coordination sphere.

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Jonathan Banh 1G » Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:20 pm

You are correct in your method of deducing that it was "tetraamine" from (NH3)4. I believe the first mistake made was in not recognizing the number of Cl ligands correctly. As there are two and not just one, the prefix "di" should be attached to the ligand name "chloro" to give a partial section of the coordination compound's name as "dichloro". The second one is because the oxidation state of cobalt is actually +3, and not +2. This is because it must compensate for the three negative charges present from the Cl to make a neutrally charged coordination compound. Thus, the answer you should end up with is tetraamminedichlorocobalt(III) chloride.

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Re: Sapling Q1

Postby Chudi Onyedika 3A » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:23 pm

You need to factor the chlorine that is outside of the brackets as well when determining the oxidation number for Cobalt.


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