4 ligands shape?

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Rebecca Chu 1C
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4 ligands shape?

Postby Rebecca Chu 1C » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:35 pm

I know 4 ligands can either be a tetrahedron or square planar, but how am I supposed to tell which shape is which when there are 4 ligands?

Kara Justeson 1B
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Re: 4 ligands shape?

Postby Kara Justeson 1B » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:47 pm

I might be wrong, but I thought we didn't have to know how to tell the difference for this class. Based off what I understood from lecture I think we were just supposed to know that both types have four ligands.

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Re: 4 ligands shape?

Postby Mariah Guerrero 1J » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:51 pm

Square planar has four ligands and two lone pairs. A difference between the two is that the bond angles of the square planar shape are smaller than 109.5 because the atoms are pulled closer together by the repulsion of the lone pairs.

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Re: 4 ligands shape?

Postby NatalieSDis1A » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:13 am

I read in the book that square planar is usually formed when the central metal atom has d8 electron configuration. So that's why Pt2+ and Au3+ have the square planar complex.

Michael Park
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Re: 4 ligands shape?

Postby Michael Park » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:03 am

I don't think we need to know the difference between those two structures, only that they have 4 ligands attached to the central atom.

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Re: 4 ligands shape?

Postby YeseniaGomez_1L » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:11 pm

I suggest you first figure out the Lewis structure then see if the 4 include any lone pairs, if there is a lone pair it is a square planar and so the angles are different, becuse the lone pairs decrease it through repulsion.

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Re: 4 ligands shape?

Postby breannasung_1K » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:37 pm

When we want to know just the general shape of the structure, we have to consider all regions of electron density, including lone pairs. Many times, when there are 4 regions of electron density the shape is tetrahedral. When we want to know the molecular structure, we have to consider how the lone pairs affect bond angles and those bond angles may contribute to the square planar shape (4 ligands and 2 regions of electron density).


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