ICE table

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Miranda 1J
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ICE table

Postby Miranda 1J » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:22 pm

When doing ICE table problems how do we know when to assume that x is 0?

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Re: ICE table

Postby nickjadidian 1A » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:36 pm

If x is zero, it means that there is no change in the concentrations of the products or reactants. In this case, x will be zero for both sides. This also implies that the forward and backward reactions have already achieved dynamic equilibrium. The whole point of the ice table is to determine the equilibrium concentrations of all the products and reactants. When x is zero, the chemical concentrations given in the problem are the equilibrium concentrations of the chemical equation.

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Re: ICE table

Postby JennyCKim1J » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:44 pm

Does x=0 mean that the amounts of both reactants and products stay the same?

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Re: ICE table

Postby Scott Chin_1E » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:50 pm

Well we can't assume x=0 because then that would mean there was no change and we know that in a weak acid/base reaction, equilibrium is in constant motion. Instead, we assume x is a very small number, so much so that subtracting it from the initial concentration is negligible and wouldn't affect the overall initial concentration.

For example, if the initial concentration is 0.15M, subtracting that number by 0.000000000000001 would not make a difference to 0.15 at all, thus we can omit x when subtracting it from the initial concentration.

A general rule of thumb is that for any or that is less than we can assume that the change in concentration for the initial concentration given will be so small, it will not affect the overall answer at all.

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Re: ICE table

Postby Vincent Kim 2I » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:40 pm

Basically when the Q and K values in the problem are very close, then the changes in concentration (x) will be extremely small, even negligible in most cases.

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Re: ICE table

Postby Clarissa Molina 1D » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:48 pm

Can somebody explain the 5% rule when approximating x please? Is K being less than 10^-3 enough to be able to approximate or does it also have to follow the 5% rule?

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Re: ICE table

Postby Angel R Morales Dis1G » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:37 pm

Clarissa Molina 1C wrote:Can somebody explain the 5% rule when approximating x please? Is K being less than 10^-3 enough to be able to approximate or does it also have to follow the 5% rule?

The 5% rule and K being less than 10^-3 go hand in hand. The concentrations of the acids/bases are so little, that it should end up being less than 5% the initial concentration. So yeah, K being less than 1.00 x 10-3 is reason enough to approximate.

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Re: ICE table

Postby Guadalupe T 1E » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:32 pm

Clarissa Molina 1C wrote:Can somebody explain the 5% rule when approximating x please? Is K being less than 10^-3 enough to be able to approximate or does it also have to follow the 5% rule?


It was mentioned that 10^-3 should be enough to use approximation but you can be asked to prove that it follows the 5% rule.


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