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### ICE Tables

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:16 pm
How do you know when to use an ICE Table? Is it ALWAYS the case that the products start at 0?

### Re: ICE Tables

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:17 pm
You can use an ICE table when you are given initial concentrations and you need to find the equilibrium concentrations. The products will not always start at zero but the values will be given.

### Re: ICE Tables  [ENDORSED]

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:24 pm
ICE tables are often used when you're asked to find equilibrium concentrations, and when you're given initial concentrations and a Kc value. However, you can also be asked to do the other way around: find initial concentrations from equilibrium concentrations and a Kc value. So, no, the concentration of the products will not always start at 0.

### Re: ICE Tables

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:37 pm
For ICE tables, you also want to consider where the reaction is if it not at its initial state in terms of which way the reaction will proceed. For example, if you are given the concentrations of some of the reactants and some of the products in the midst of the reaction, you want to calculate Q and compare it to K to see which way the reaction should shift. This matters for the "change in concentration" row and whether reactants or products will have the - or + x values.

### Re: ICE Tables

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:26 pm
Ice tables do not always start with the product being zero but based on what is given in the question.

### Re: ICE Tables

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:31 am
ICE tables are typically used when finding the equilibrium concentrations of weak acids and bases. This is because with weak acids and bases, they don't fully dissociate and we have to calculate the specific concentrations of each reactant and product.

### Re: ICE Tables

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:34 am
ICE Tables are specifically used to find the equilibrium concentration of products and reactants when given the initial concentration. The value of the products will not always be zero. It will be values given from the question.

### Re: ICE Tables

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:03 pm
You will be given this information from the question.

### Re: ICE Tables

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:48 pm
You would use an ICE table when you have the initial concentration and you need to find the equilibrium concentration. You will most likely be given these numbers in the question itself.

### Re: ICE Tables

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:56 pm
When using ICE tables, how do you know when its better to use the quadratic formula to find X or the 5% rule?

### Re: ICE Tables

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:42 pm
Eruchi Okpara 2E wrote:When using ICE tables, how do you know when its better to use the quadratic formula to find X or the 5% rule?

If you're given a weak acid or base with an equilibrium constant less than 10^-3 you can assume that the x in the (number-x) is negligible and you can just get rid of that x. If it's not a weak acid or base then you should use the quadratic formula.
Also, the quadratic formula will always work it's just unnecessary at times and you can save time by doing it the other way.

### Re: ICE Tables

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:26 pm
If you really want to be sure you can always just check the percent ionization after you solve the problem. If the concentration of the conjugate base/acid divided by the initial concentration of the acid/base is less than 5%, then you're good.