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Fdonovan 3D
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ice boc

Postby Fdonovan 3D » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:05 pm

Why do we use the ice box if the x is negligible when adding/subtracting? I'm confused why we use it if we end up taking the Xs out anyway.

Charysa Santos 4G
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Re: ice boc

Postby Charysa Santos 4G » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:08 pm

You can only take out the X in the denominator if the K is less than 10^-3. The ice box helps to visualize and take inventory of what you start with and what is changing at the equilibrium.

Baoying Li 1B
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Re: ice boc

Postby Baoying Li 1B » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:08 pm

Using Ice box can help us organize our thoughts and avoid to make mistakes. I suggest to use it just in case or it may help you get some partial credit.

Daria MacAuslan 1H
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Re: ice boc

Postby Daria MacAuslan 1H » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:12 pm

the ice box should pretty much always be used because it can help get rid of mistakes and organize our thoughts. x is only negligible when the k value is ver, very small. it has to be less than 1x10^-3 in order to just ignore x, otherwise you can't simply get rid of it.

Eesha Chattopadhyay 2K
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Re: ice boc

Postby Eesha Chattopadhyay 2K » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:14 pm

The X can only be taken out if it is very small and would not make a significant impact on the overall calculation, but this is usually only in either the numerator or denominator, rarely both. Therefore not all of the Xs can be considered negligible.

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Re: ice boc

Postby J_CHEN 4I » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:31 pm

Professor Lavalle gave a great analogy about approximations. Basically, let's you have 1,000,000 dollars and you subtract it by x amount. If x is very small, like 10 dollars, then x is negligible because 1,000,000 - 10 = 999,990, which is almost the same as 1,000,000. In acids and bases, a weak acid like acetic acid will not dissociate much in water, so the change in acetic acid (x) is negligible.

preyasikumar_2L
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Re: ice boc

Postby preyasikumar_2L » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:34 pm

The x is only negligible when adding/subtracting if the K value is very small (<10-3) or when the change in the concentrations/partial pressures is less than 5% of the original concentration/partial pressure. You will not always have a small K value, and the stoichiometric coefficients will not always be 1 which will sometimes make the changes in the concentrations/partial pressures be more than x (like 2x or 3x etc) and will require that value to be raised to a different power, so keeping everything in the ice box will allow you to keep track of everything and understand what goes where in the equation, and what value(s) you are solving for.

Gabriel Ordonez 2K
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Re: ice boc

Postby Gabriel Ordonez 2K » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:35 pm

The box is a visual aspect that allows us to work towards creating the equilibrium constant easily.


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