pka vs ka
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pka vs ka
Why is it that we can add pka + pkb to get pkw but we have to multiply ka and kb to get kw?
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Re: pka vs ka
Since pka usually deals with small decimals, adding the values will not get to the desired value of 1x10^-14. The only way to achieve this with decimals is by multiplying.
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Re: pka vs ka
I believe it is because of the product property of logarithms which states that
log(MN) = log(M) + log(N). Multiplying Ka and Kb will give you Kw, but if you want to find the pKw, you would be doing log(Kw)=log(Ka*Kb), which equals log(Ka)+log(Kb) or pKa+pKb.
Hope this helps!
log(MN) = log(M) + log(N). Multiplying Ka and Kb will give you Kw, but if you want to find the pKw, you would be doing log(Kw)=log(Ka*Kb), which equals log(Ka)+log(Kb) or pKa+pKb.
Hope this helps!
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Re: pka vs ka
The values for Ka and Kb are small, and when we multiply numbers with exponents we would just add the exponents, to give us an even smaller number. It makes sense to add pka and pkb due to the fact, it is the -log for ka and kb, so it is giving us a much greater number
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Re: pka vs ka
Since it p values involves -log, you would be given valets that you have to multiply or divide.
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Re: pka vs ka
Since pKa and pKb are both -log values with the same base, saying pKa+pKb is the same as saying -log(Ka*Kb)
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Re: pka vs ka
When you deal with exponents, you know that when you divide or multiply values with exponents, you simply add or subtract them. (ex. 10^-14 / 10^-7 = 10^-7). The pKa takes the -log base 10 of the Ka value, so it's basically taking on the value of the exponent in a way. This is why you add when you deal with pKa and multiply with kA.
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Re: pka vs ka
You add pKa and pKb because they are logarithmic values, and based on their properties adding them is like multiplying Ka and Kb.
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Re: pka vs ka
If I'm correct, the reason why we can add pka and pkb to get pkw is because pka and pkb are found by taking the logmarithm of the ka and kb. When you multiply two logs together, you can add their inner parts up.
Thus,
-log(ka*kb)) = -log(ka) + -log(kb) ---> This should translate to pka + pkb
Thus,
-log(ka*kb)) = -log(ka) + -log(kb) ---> This should translate to pka + pkb
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Re: pka vs ka
This is because of log laws.
If we assume that Ka x Kb = Kw is true
we take the -log of both sides:
-log(Ka x Kb) = -log (Kw)
log law: log(ab)=log(a) + log(b):
-log(Ka)+ (-log(Kb))= -log(Kw)
So since pKa=-logKa, pKb=-logKb, pKw=-logKw you can write:
pKa+pKb=pKw
I believe Dr.Lavelle has some math review on the 14B website, but just to add on a similar law applies to division:
log(a/b)= log(a)-log(b)
If we assume that Ka x Kb = Kw is true
we take the -log of both sides:
-log(Ka x Kb) = -log (Kw)
log law: log(ab)=log(a) + log(b):
-log(Ka)+ (-log(Kb))= -log(Kw)
So since pKa=-logKa, pKb=-logKb, pKw=-logKw you can write:
pKa+pKb=pKw
I believe Dr.Lavelle has some math review on the 14B website, but just to add on a similar law applies to division:
log(a/b)= log(a)-log(b)
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Re: pka vs ka
Hi! I believe the reasoning behind this is the logarithm function for pka (logab = log a + log b).
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Re: pka vs ka
log10(ab) = log10(a) + log10(b) is correct
Also,
if pKw = pKa + pKb
10-pKw = 10-(pKa+pKb)
10-pKw = 10-(pKa) × 10-(pKb)
Kw = Ka × Kb
Also,
if pKw = pKa + pKb
10-pKw = 10-(pKa+pKb)
10-pKw = 10-(pKa) × 10-(pKb)
Kw = Ka × Kb
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Re: pka vs ka
pKa is the -log[ka]. This changes the relationships because of the way logs work. When you do 10^-14 = ka x kb and take the negative log of that equation, you end up with 14 = pKa + pKb
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Re: pka vs ka
We use the rule for logs. Ln(a) + ln(b) = ln(a*b). Thus, we multiply the values for concentrations, but for the pKa and pKb, since they are logs, they use the rule of logs.
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Re: pka vs ka
This has to do with the logarithm rule which states that the sum of two logs (let's call them logx and logy) is equal to the log of the product of the numbers you were taking the log of previously. (i.e. log(x*y))
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Re: pka vs ka
I think it's because for pH and pKa you are able to add pH and pOH to get 14 and pKa +pKb to get 14. When [H] and Ka are in their regular form you can't add them together to get 14 because you haven't taken the -log of them.
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Re: pka vs ka
Its basically the same as adding pH and pOH to get 14. The logarithmic properties allow you to add the pKa and pKb values to get pKw. But the concentrations themselves must be multiplied.
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Re: pka vs ka
I think it has to do with log rules, logab = log a + log b, and also because pKa and pKb are log functions.
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Re: pka vs ka
Both pKa and pKb use -log values with the same base pKa+pKb is the same as saying -log(Ka*Kb)
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