Acids and Bases and water

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Sean1F
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Acids and Bases and water

Postby Sean1F » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:57 pm

Hi Hi Hi. On one of the lecture problems, a very strong acid or base is added to the water equation and from that, we somehow know or can easily estimate the resulting pH or equilibrium constant. Why is that? I understand that equilibrium constant for H3O and OH always adds up to 10^-14, but how can we predict the results??

Anthony Tam
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Re: Acids and Bases and water

Postby Anthony Tam » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:10 pm

This is because strong acids dissociate completely in water. So the [H3O+] is essentially the same thing as the initial strong acid concentration.

Sean1F
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Re: Acids and Bases and water

Postby Sean1F » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:15 pm

Anthony Tam wrote:This is because strong acids dissociate completely in water. So the [H3O+] is essentially the same thing as the initial strong acid concentration.


Anthony u a real one

Cassidy Chiong 2J
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Re: Acids and Bases and water

Postby Cassidy Chiong 2J » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:56 pm

A very strong acid or base completely dissociates in water. So through stoichiometry, we can calculate the molarity of H+ ions or OH- ions produced from the given molarity of the acid/base pretty easily.

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Re: Acids and Bases and water

Postby Michelle Gong » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:59 pm

HI Sean!
As the others have said, when dealing with strong acids like HCl and strong bases like group 1 and 2 hydroxides, we can be fairly confident that most of it dissociates and we can rely on the stoichiometric ratios found in the balanced equation for the reaction. This being said, if we were dealing with weak acids and bases, we immediately need to implement an ICE box, as we need to know the percent ionization that occurred, as it is more stable when it is together.

Aditya Desai 1A
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Re: Acids and Bases and water

Postby Aditya Desai 1A » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:18 pm

Strong acids dissociate completely.

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Re: Acids and Bases and water

Postby Abu Zhang 2D » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:00 pm

Strong acids dissociate completely, so [H3O+] would be the same as the concentration of that strong acid. We only need to use the pKa etc. to calculate [H3O+] when dealing with weak acids.

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Re: Acids and Bases and water

Postby RobinFong_2B » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:04 pm

A characteristic of a strong acid is that it completely disassociates in water. So the pH can easily be calculated using stoichemetry.

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Re: Acids and Bases and water

Postby Dillon Taing 3H » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:09 pm

To calculate the pH of an acid or base, you only need the H+ or OH- concentration. Because strong acids and bases dissociate completely in water, we are able to use the molarity of these ions to find the pH or equilibrium constant.

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Re: Acids and Bases and water

Postby Nishan Reddy 3K » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:26 pm

Because strong acids completely dissociate in water and the kw remains the same, the concentration of the H3O+ is assumed to just be the amount of H+ given off by the strong acid so we base the pH around this value. We do not need to know the OH- concentration since it will be very small due to the Kw ratio.

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Re: Acids and Bases and water

Postby 205282258 » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:35 pm

strong acids completely dissociate in water, so the concentration of H30+ is the same as the concentration of the acid


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