ignoring x

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marcus lin 1E
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ignoring x

Postby marcus lin 1E » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:25 pm

so for some of the ICE table calculations we ignore x and just pretend it's 0, when do we do that?

BenJohnson1H
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Re: ignoring x

Postby BenJohnson1H » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:30 pm

When k is equal to or less than 10^3 you can omit any X that is being added or subtracted. To check, see if the dissociation of the acid/base is equal to or lower than 5%.

Miriam Sheetz 2B
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Re: ignoring x

Postby Miriam Sheetz 2B » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:30 pm

You can ignore x in the ice table when the K value is less than 10^-3 because it the percent ionization will be less than 5%.

Erin Kim 2G
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Re: ignoring x

Postby Erin Kim 2G » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:52 pm

You can ignore x in some instances because the amount that dissociates will be so little that it is insignificant to the overall decrease in the molarity. If the K value is extremely small, namely less than 10^-3, it means that reactants are favored in the reaction and so little of the reactants will be converted into products and therefore, the x value is so little and its subtraction is negligent.

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Re: ignoring x

Postby Ian Marquez 2K » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:25 pm

Also, it is important to keep in mind that x is not actually 0 because if you plug in 0 for all x's it will be impossible to solve for x. However, it is useful in approximations to make the calculations more simple as the other replies have stated.

sonalivij
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Re: ignoring x

Postby sonalivij » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:29 pm

Keep in mind that x is only considered to be 0 when it is being added or subtracted to a number, not when it is alone and being multiplied

Kevin Tang 4L
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Re: ignoring x

Postby Kevin Tang 4L » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:44 pm

You can ignore x in an equilibrium equation when the percent deprotonation or protonation is less than 5%. This is because x will be negligible in the denominator related to the other initial value.

Hope this helps correct me if i'm wrong.

Sapna Ramappa 1J
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Re: ignoring x

Postby Sapna Ramappa 1J » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:41 pm

If the K value is less than 10^-3, you can ignore the x in the denominator if it is being added or subtracted to the initial concentration. This is because it'll make such a minute difference in the equilibrium concentration as a whole. Be careful that you don't just substitute all the x values with 0!

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Re: ignoring x

Postby Diana Sandoval 1K » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:43 pm

When k is equal to or less than 10^3.

Tony Chung 2I
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Re: ignoring x

Postby Tony Chung 2I » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:05 pm

you can ignore x when youre approximating. this is when your k value is less than or equal to 10^-3

Luis_Yepez_1F
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Re: ignoring x

Postby Luis_Yepez_1F » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:02 pm

You can ignore x when k is less than 1x10^-3

Mark 1D
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Re: ignoring x

Postby Mark 1D » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:41 pm

X is zero if follows 5% rule or if K is less than 10^-3. Therefore no need to use quadratic equation

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Re: ignoring x

Postby jlinwashington1B » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:43 am

X can be ignored when k is less than 1x10^-3

Sarah_Kang_2K
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Re: ignoring x

Postby Sarah_Kang_2K » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:45 am

You can ignore x when approximating (when K<10^-3), but make sure to check your work after to make sure x is indeed less than or equal to 5% deprotonation!

sonalivij
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Re: ignoring x

Postby sonalivij » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:12 pm

A good way to check if your approximation was valid is to see if x is less than 5% of the initial concentrations

Nghi Nguyen 2L
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Re: ignoring x

Postby Nghi Nguyen 2L » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:35 pm

when K is less than 1*10^-3 but I think Dr. Lavelle said on the midterm that he wants use to always use the quadratic formula so I can only assume that applies to the final as well

Jacqueline Duong 1H
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Re: ignoring x

Postby Jacqueline Duong 1H » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:09 pm

We can ignore x when the 5% rule applies to it, which is when x is less than 5% of the initial concentration.


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