ICE Tables

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Emilie Otterson 1C
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ICE Tables

Postby Emilie Otterson 1C » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:49 am

When constructing ICE tables for chemical equations containing gases, liquids, solids, and aqueous solutions
are solids, liquids, and aqueous solutions included in the table, or are only the gases included?

Alyssa Gutierrez 3A
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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Alyssa Gutierrez 3A » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:04 am

Hi! You do not include solid or liquid solutions in ICE tables, only gases and aqueous solutions. Hope this helps!

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Mia Hansen 2I » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:36 am

Yes, as stated above, you do not include the concentrations of solids or liquids (the solvent) in your ICE Table calculations.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby VeronicaShepherd3B » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:59 am

Do we know why liquid and solids are not included on the ICE tables?

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Kayla Arellano 1K » Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:02 am

Emilie Otterson 1C wrote:When constructing ICE tables for chemical equations containing gases, liquids, solids, and aqueous solutions
are solids, liquids, and aqueous solutions included in the table, or are only the gases included?


Only gaseous and aqueous solutions are included in the table. Solids are not included in the table because there is no such thing as a concentration of a solid and it is assumed that liquids are present in such excess that they do not affect the reaction.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Chris Korban 1D » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:05 pm

you include gases and acqueous solutions within the table because they affect the K value so in that case solids and liquids are excluded from this calculation

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Windell Viste 1K » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:09 pm

yass like everyone said, you only include aqueous solutions and gases :P

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Erin Chin 1L » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:44 pm

Only gases and aqueous solutions should be included in ICE tables, not solids or liquids because they don't change significantly during the reaction and thus should be excluded.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Arya Bhalla 1H » Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:07 pm

You only include aq and g because they have actual concentrations. Solids do not have concentrations, and in the case of water, its concentration changes by a negligible amount, so you do not include it in the ICE table either

Joellen 1B
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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Joellen 1B » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:05 am

I would not include liquids and solids because you don't use them in the equation anyway.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby 505706331 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:21 am

everything but liquid and solids are included with the calculations of an ICE table

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Brandon Padilla 2L » Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:53 am

Only the gases and aqueous solutions are included because only they are capable of changing significantly during a reaction.

Samantha Loc 1B
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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Samantha Loc 1B » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:58 pm

Hi there! Only aqueous solutions and gasses should be included! :)

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby 905565862 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:04 pm

Only aqueous solutions and gases should be included because you cannot take the concentration of a solid and since we assume that there is an excess of liquids we do not include them either!

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Acharya Ranawat 3E » Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:19 pm

Ice tables only include molecules that are gaseous and aqueous. Hope this helps!

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby 205705413 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:48 pm

You do not include solids and liquids in ICE tables.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Eric Sun 2G » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:14 pm

Liquids and solids should not be included in the ICE tables, only gases and aqueous solutions should be included.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Emaad Sohail 3F » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:49 pm

You only include gaseous and aqueous substances, because solids are not dissociated and thus have no concentration and liquids are present in such excess that the amount they change in a reaction is negligible.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Vanessa_Ong_3F » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:26 pm

You do not include solids or liquids in ICE tables. You should only include gases and aqueous solutions.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Dillon Taing 3H » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:12 am

Solids and liquids are not included in the equilibrium constant expression or ICE tables as a solid doesn't have a concentration when placed in a solvent and a liquid changes minutely relative to its initial amount. Gases and aqueous solutions, however, will be recorded in an ICE table as their initial concentration can change significantly when a reaction takes place.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Ashley Hiti 1K » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:34 am

You base your ICE table off the chemical equation so if you do not use liquids or solids when writing that out, I do not believe they would be used in the ICE table.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Adithi Ayyala 2G » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:44 am

Hello! So basically, due to the fact that ICE stands for Inital, Change, and Equilibrium, these charts are used to measure a change in concentration, pressure, etc. For that reason, as solids do not change concentration, and solvents (liquids) do not affect this change in a system, solids and liquids are excluded, whereas gases and aqueous solutions are in an ICE table.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Akshat Katoch 2K » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:31 am

You only use aqueous and gases in Ice tables. Solids can not have a change in concentration and liquids basically have no change in their concentration so we don't even include them.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby raynebunado » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:19 am

You would only include gases and aqueous elements

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Abby 2B » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:53 pm

HI, we only included gases and aqueous solutions in the ICE tables!

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Daniel Tabibian 3K » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:55 pm

Only gases and aqueous solutions would be used in an icee table since solids and liquids are not calculated when finding equilibriium.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Mia Orr 3B » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:56 pm

When making an ICE table, you only include gases and aqueous solutions. Hope this helps!!

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby tashyavakil 2K » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:05 pm

only gases and aqueous

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby 105778693 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:36 am

You could include only gases and aqueous solutions. No liquids or solids.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Mara Crooks 1F » Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:40 am

Only gas and aqueous, not liquids or solids, they are omitted.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Skylar Lo 2C » Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:50 pm

You would only include gases and aqueous substances in your calculations.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Anubhav_Chandla1G » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:10 pm

When using the ICE table, you only include aqueous phase and gas phase substances, and omit liquid and solid phase substances.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Hailey Sarmiento 3E » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:16 pm

For ICE tables only the partial pressure of gases or concentrations of liquids or gases are included. The amount of solids and solvents do not change significantly to be included in equilibrium constants

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby N Kanuri 2E » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:49 pm

When using ICE tables, you should consider only gases and aqueous solutions!

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Carlie_Dorostkar_1A » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:13 pm

You should not add liquids or solids because they are not included when calculating the chemical equilibrium.

Alex Luong 3H
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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Alex Luong 3H » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:20 pm

You wouldn't add solids and liquids in the ICE box because they aren't used when calculated the equilibrium constant.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Kayla Ziebell 1H » Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:33 am

In ICE tables, you only include gases and aqueous solutions!

Michael 1G
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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Michael 1G » Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:33 pm

Solids and liquids don't have concentrations or partial pressures so they are not included. However, gasses have partial pressures and aqueous solutions have concentrations so they are included in ICE tables.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Shannon Clark 1F » Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:54 pm

Hello!
Gases and aqueous compounds are the only that are taken into account in the ICE tables because only gases and aqueous compounds can affect K. Gases have partial pressure and aqueous solutions have concentrations. Solids and liquids do not have changes in partial pressures nor concentrations to be measured so they don't affect K and don't go in the ICE table. Hope this helps!

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Darren Apostol 2L » Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:57 pm

Solids don't have a "concentration," and the concentrations of liquids barely change, so they are excluded from the equilibrium expression.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Nithya Narapa Reddy » Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:06 pm

For ICE tables I believe we should only include gas and aqueous solutions.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby 405825570 » Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:31 pm

Only include gases and aqueous

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Polo Morales 3C » Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:21 pm

Only gases and aqueous solutions should be included in an ICE table. Solids do not have concentrations. Liquids are in such excess that their "concentrations" do not change significantly. Hope this helps!

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Abigail Tran 14a » Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:31 pm

Yes gases are included but aqueous solutions are included as well.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby elletruchan2I » Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:42 pm

Hi Emilie!
Gases and aqueous solutions are included in the ICE table, but not liquids or solids. It's basically just whatever you would include in the Ka/Kb/K equation.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Divya Mehta 2K » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:05 pm

only gases and aqueous solution are used. Solids & liquids do not change concentration much.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Collin Le 3I » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:30 am

Only gases and aqueous solutions are included. This is because the concentration change of liquids and solids is negligible.

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Re: ICE Tables

Postby Alexander Moroz 1B » Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:53 am

Liquids are often solvents so their concentration is so large that a change in equilibrium ICE table will be negligible. Solids also do not participate in equilibrium.


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