pH scale limitations

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pH scale limitations

Postby 305561744 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:42 pm

Can something have a pH above 14? How would that affect calculations?

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby Tawny Vu 1A » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:46 pm

Technically speaking, it can go above 14, but commonly we do not have to deal with this. It only ranges from 0 to 14 in most cases and is that way because of the use of -log to make the number easier to work with and to differentiate between acids and bases.

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby Jessica Tam 3H » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:46 pm

Hi,
For the scale we use, I believe it refers to the temperature 25 degrees Celsius and the scale of 0 to 14 for pH is the standard. There are possibilities where the pH can go below 0 for very strong acids or above 14 for very strong bases. As far as I know, we would not have to worry about calculations outside of the range for the course.

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby MaiVyDang2I » Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:21 pm

I think the textbook said that pH can be smaller than 0 and bigger than 14, but it won't appear in our course.

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby sadiebrebes » Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:31 pm

305561744 wrote:Can something have a pH above 14? How would that affect calculations?

Super acids can have a ph above 14. They have extremely great proton donating abilities.

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby Sasha Gladkikh 2A » Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:32 pm

Hi,

Dr. Lavelle stated in the 01/10 lecture that the pH scale from 0 to 14 characterizes most acids and bases. However, super acids and super bases, which have pH values beyond the conventional 0 to 14 scale, are not covered in this course.

For your reference, a super acid contains a hydronium (H3O+) concentration greater than 1 M, resulting in a negative pH value. Conversely, a super base contains a hydroxide (OH-) concentration greater than 1 M, resulting a pH value above 14.

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby Divya Mehta 2K » Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:30 am

While there are solutions that are capable of being superacids and superbases that have PH's lower than 0 and higher than 14, the PH scale that encompasses most acids and bases in this course goes from 0-14

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby Holly Do 2J » Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:25 pm

When we say that the pH scale is between 1-14 we are just generalizing the typical pH we deal with. This meaning that a pH can be above or below this range but they are not seen as much.

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby Madison Nguyen 3L » Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:37 pm

It is possible to exceed the 14 scale, but it is rare, and the 1-14 encompasses most acids and bases for adequate and accurate measurement.

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby Sarah Hong 2K » Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:11 pm

It is possible, but for the calculations in this course the pH will be within 0-14.

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby Collin Le 3I » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:10 am

It is possible for the pH of a solution to go beyond 0 and 14, but I believe we only have to deal with pH values within the range from 0 to 14 for this course.

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby Eszter Kovacs 1A » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:02 am

the pH scale doesn't have fixed limits so pH can go above 14 and below 0 too.

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby Aaron Kwan 3B » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:31 am

If a base dissociates in water and leads to a concentration of OH- greater than 1M, calculating the POH through taking the -log leads to a negative number. Then, calculating PH through 14-POH leads to a number greater than 14.

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby Hannah Thornton 1F » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:11 pm

Although pH can be smaller than 0 or bigger than 14, this will never appear in our course.

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Re: pH scale limitations

Postby Talia Tam 3L » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:21 pm

Super bases can have a pH greater than 14, but it is rare.


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