Pressure affects only gas reactions?

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Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Kelly Yun 2I » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:13 pm

Hi! I feel like the change in pressure should only have an affect on reactions where the moles of gases on either side are different, but would that also apply to reactions where the moles of gases are equal on both sides but one side has more moles of a substance in a different phase? I don't know if this question makes sense but I hope someone can answer this haha

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Leo Naylor 2F » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:41 pm

Pressure does not really affect liquids or solids because liquids and solids are essentially incompressible. So the answer to your question is no, a change in pressure will not affect a reaction as long as the reaction has the same number of moles of gas on both sides.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Karl Yost 1L » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:51 pm

Changing pressure only affects gas reactions, as only gases can be compressed. We just say that the compression of solids and liquids is negligible.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Kelly Yun 2I » Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:40 pm

Ohh I see. Thank you!

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Kyle Walsh 2J » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:50 am

I believe that it's not the pressure that affects gas reactions, it's the volume changing. But the pressure change is just a byproduct of the changing volume.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby SophiaNguyen_2L » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:44 am

I just want to emphasize what the person above me is saying ^^! If pressure changes due to the addition of an inert gas (like helium or xenon gas), then Le Chatalier's principle wouldn't be applicable and the system's equilibrium won't change.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Aarushi Verma 2I » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:42 am

If there is an equal amount of moles on both sides, then any pressure changes won't affect the reaction because pressure only affects gases, not liquids and solids.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Shreyank Kadadi 3K » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:55 pm

Yes, only gases are affected by changes in pressure due to the incompressibility of the other phases.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Armen_Isayan_2L » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:29 pm

Hello! It is evident that pressure does not tka significant effect upon liquids or solids. This is mainly because of the fact that pressure tends to effect only gases, and not liquids and solids, hence a change in pressure will to affect a reaction, in the case that a reaction contains the exact similar number of moles on both sides.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby haley f » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:11 pm

You are correct! When pressure increases the reaction will favor the side with fewer moles of gas because solids and liquids won't change their volume when pressure is increased or decreased because it is very hard to do so.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Ansh Patel 2I » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:17 pm

Hi! Gases are the only phase that are affected my pressure because it is able to be compressed, unlike other phases.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Kelly Tran 1J » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:48 pm

Hi! Changes in pressure (by changing the volume) only affects gases since gases are compressible. If the pressure increases (decreasing the volume), the equilibrium would shift to the side with less amount of moles of gas, but if there are equal moles of gases on both sides of the reaction, the equilibrium will not shift.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Joshua_Chan_3K » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:04 pm

Remember what he said in lecture. Pressure doesn't necessarily affect anything (ie. a n inert gas is added). Volume is what changes. If you look at concentration, volume will obviously change the concentration of a gas. If concentration changes, the reaction quotient will shift.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Sonel Raj 3I » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:11 pm

A change in pressure aka a change in volume only affects gases- solids and liquids are not affected by changes in pressure. You see this when you look at the ideal gas law equation; changing the pressure affects the concentration of the gas, which therefore affects equilibrium.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Geethika Janga 1L » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:14 pm

Yes technically pressure on affects gas reactions because compounds can only be compressed in their gaseous state

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Earl Garrovillo 2L » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:19 pm

Yup, since solids and liquids basically don't change concentration ever, while concentrations of aqueous things only change when solvent or solute is added, pressure will only affect the gases. Gases fill up the container they're in so if they're compressed, their concentrations change. If there's equal amounts of gas on each side, regardless of the states of other reactants/products, these gases change concentration by the same factor and there's no change in equilibrium when pressure is changed.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby AlbertGu_2C » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:27 pm

Only gases can be compressed, so you only count the gaseous state of the element in question.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Jack_Pearce_2H » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:24 am

Pressure does not really affect liquids or solids much, so shifts in equilibrium based on the pressure of a container would only apply to gasses.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Constance Newell » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:22 am

I believe it only effects gasses..... I could be wrong but I don't think it effects inert gasses tho.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Aditya Sundaram 3D » Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:30 pm

Since we use partial pressures for reactions with gasses, changing pressure would definitely impact that. But when we are using concentrations of liquids and solids, not much really changes.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Massimo_Capozza_1G » Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:33 pm

It only affects the gas reaction. Solid and liquids aren't really affected because their volume is independent of pressure, I think.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Aditya Sundaram 3D » Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:38 pm

Massimo_Capozza_1G wrote:It only affects the gas reaction. Solid and liquids aren't really affected because their volume is independent of pressure, I think.


Yeah, these were my thoughts exactly. Concentration is relative and not based on pressure like gasses are.

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Ashley Wagner 2A » Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:55 pm

Yes pressure only affect gas reactions. Liquid and solids are incompressible and values are independent of pressure

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Re: Pressure affects only gas reactions?

Postby Sejal Parsi 3K » Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:38 pm

A change in pressure (a change in volume) only affects gases. Solids and liquids are not affected because they are essentially incompressible.


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