6C17 - strength of bases

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Montana James 4G
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6C17 - strength of bases

Postby Montana James 4G » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:14 pm

Why is BrO- a stronger base than C17H19O3N?

Nawal Dandachi 1G
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Re: 6C17 - strength of bases

Postby Nawal Dandachi 1G » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:03 pm

morphine is basic because it contains a nitrogen with a lone pair. However, BrO- is a conjugate base of a weak acid, so its a stronger base.

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Re: 6C17 - strength of bases

Postby Fatemah Yacoub 1F » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:19 pm

I remember during lecture he said anything with Nitrogen is usually a weak base. So that is a good rule of thumb.

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Re: 6C17 - strength of bases

Postby Kaitlyn Ang 1J » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:30 pm

As a follow up question, what are the general rules for determining the strengths of bases? For acids, it's through bond length and electronegativity, but I don't think Lavelle explicitly mentioned the criteria for bases.

Thanks!

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Re: 6C17 - strength of bases

Postby ckilkeary 2G » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:56 pm

Kaitlyn Ang 3A wrote:As a follow up question, what are the general rules for determining the strengths of bases? For acids, it's through bond length and electronegativity, but I don't think Lavelle explicitly mentioned the criteria for bases.

Thanks!


I had the same question and did a little bit of research online and found somewhere that the more negative charge means more basic.
Ex. Basicity: H2PO4 - < HPO4 2- < PO4 3-
I don't know how much we can treat this as a rule of thumb but it seems to be consistent with the homework problem given BrO- has a charge of -1 and C17H19O3N doesn't have a charge.


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