Na and Cl's influence on pH

[Isaac Wen]

Hi! In one of the lectures, Dr. Lavelle mentioned that Na+ and Cl- do not affect the pH of the solution they're in. Why is that? And if there's a rule that explains this phenomenon, can the same thing be applied to all Group 1 and Group 17 elements?

[Kailani_Dial_2K]

Na+ is a conjugate acid of a strong base. Since it is from a strong base it is therefore a weak acid which means that it is unlikely that it will repick-up the OH- that it gave to water. Cl- is a conjugate base of the strong acid HCl. Since it is from a strong acid it is therefore, a weak base. This means that it is umlikley to pick up an H again. Therefore, Cl- and Na+ do not interact with the water molecules, so they don't increase the hydroxide or hydronium ions and therefore do not affect pH. This can be applied to any conjugate acid/base that comes from a strong acid/ base.

[Eliot Kagan 2G]

Rather than not interacting, Na+ isn't strong enough to make the water molecules lose a hydrogen like Fe, Cr, Al, Cu, and Ni.
A general rule to follow is that the cations in groups 1 and 2 aren't strong enough to affect the pH.

For anions, the really strong anions create a more basic solution because they take an H+ from the surrounding water and create OH-.
If you want more info, I recommend checking out the 12/7 lecture.

[Kamille Kibria 2A]

i did not understand this either but the rule i follow that helped me out a lot is that if the element is associated with a strong acid or strong base, it will not affect the pH of the solution. Cl is associate w strong acid HCl and Na is associated w strong base NaOH. this is because if you were to dissolve either Cl or Na (separate) in H20, it will not increase the concentration of H3o+ or OH-

[Justin Nguyen 3E]

What helped me understand the effect of Na+ and Cl- on pH was that because both atoms possess filled valence shells, they don't have an inclination to take or give protons/electrons, thus not affecting pH.

[Cory Poon 3G]

Na+ can't influence the pH of a solution since it's from group 1 on the periodic table. Cl- can also not affect pH because it has a full valence shell, making it not interact with other atoms.

[Katie 3H]

How do ions or elements have influence on pH at all?

[Daniel Li 3C]

Na is the conjugate of a strong base NaOH and Cl is the conjugate of a strong acid HCl, therefore when it forms NaCl, it becomes neutral.

[Tammy Shen 2L]

NaCl is neutral and does not affect pH because Na and Cl are conjugates of strong acids and bases. When they come together, they are neutral.

[Naman Jain 3F]

You have to focus on if they are very weak conjugate bases or acids (which are from strong bases or acids). As for Na+, it is a weak conjugate acid of a strong base NaOH, and Cl- is a weak conjugate base of a strong acid HCl. Therefore, when they are in an aqueous solution, they are not accepting H+, nor donating H+ to the H20 molecules, and not affecting the pH either.

[Muryam_Hasan_2I]

You first take NaCl, look at Na+ and Cl- separately, and determine their respective conjugate acid/base. The conjugate base of Na+ is NaOH and the conjugate acid of Cl- is HCl. Since they are both strong, we can conclude that their subsequent acid/base of Na+ and Cl- will be weak, and therefore will not affect the pH.

[Cecilia Lei 3K]

I think they won’t affect pH because Na+ is in group now and Cl- is the conjugate base of a strong acid.