Calculating pH

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Calculating pH

Postby Amy Shimizu 1J » Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:08 am

In the textbook, it states that the pH =-log[H3O+], but in a review session, we covered that pH=-log[H+]. Could someone clarify if this is the same thing or if both are correct?

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby KyLee 1H » Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:20 am

Yes, they mean the same thing! In the real world, you usually do not see H+ atoms floating around in aqueous solutions. Instead, they bond with water (H2O) to form H30+.

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Narin Maisha 2H » Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:31 am

They are the same thing, but simply putting H+ is simplifying it for the sake of the course. Typically it would be found bonded to H20, creasing H30+

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Claire Kim 1F » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:28 pm

Amy Shimizu 1J wrote:In the textbook, it states that the pH =-log[H3O+], but in a review session, we covered that pH=-log[H+]. Could someone clarify if this is the same thing or if both are correct?


They are essentially the same thing. the H3O+ is just the H+ ion with a water molecule. But in the end, it is referring to the concentration of the H+ ions so both questions that you presented would be correct.

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby 605721741 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:29 pm

H+ is a short form way to write H30+. In reality a H3O+ complex forms as H+ merges with water.

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Joshua Lance Yumul 1F » Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:32 pm

Yes, they are both correct!! pH=-log[H3O+] is the same as pH=-log[H+] (which is how Prof. explained it in class!. H3O+ is another way of saying the H+ is in an aqueous solution. good luck tomorrow :)

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Alyssa Cua 2J » Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:57 pm

Hi Amy!
Yes, these are the same thing. When we are talking about acids we refer to them being in an aqueous solution. So, H+ will attach to H2O to form H3O+.

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Arpita Padhy 3E » Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:58 pm

They're technically the same thing, so if you know either formula, you should be fine :)

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Mia Orr 3B » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:13 pm

Both equations mean essentially the same thing. H3O+ is just H+ in an aqueous solution bonded to H20, but both equations tell you the concentration of H+ ions!

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Amaris Cagungun 1F » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:58 pm

They are technically the same thing so wither equation you use should be fine. H3O+ usually describes H+ in aqueous solutions which it is usually found.

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Isabelle Kim 3E » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:04 pm

You're correct that these two are the same. This is due to the fact that you're taking the concentration of the same thing since hydronium ions are essentially the same thing as hydrogen atoms.

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Anna Guan » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:07 pm

H+ and H3O+ is the same thing, because the H+ donated by the acid usually combines with a water molecule to form H3O+

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Darlene Luu 1H » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:37 pm

Using the concentration of H+ and H30+ gives you the same pH. They are used interchangeably.

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Edmond Chu 1C » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:38 pm

They are the same thing. Hydronium ions form when a hydrogen atom bonds to water, creating H3O+. H+ and H3O+ are interchangeable.

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Natalie Quilala 1I » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:40 pm

This is essentially the same thing, as both are protonated and have the characteristic +1 charge.

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Nishan Reddy 3K » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:15 pm

These mean the same thing because usually the free H+ ions bond with water to make H3O+, but for simplicity, some choose to describe it as [H+] rather than [H3O+]. However, they mean the same thing.

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Re: Calculating pH

Postby Marilyn » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:39 pm

They mean the same thing but I haven't encountered a question that uses H30+ instead of H+. Is there an example?


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