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Mary Grace Stevens 3G
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state properties

Postby Mary Grace Stevens 3G » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:12 pm

How is heat not a state property but enthalpy is a state property?

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Re: state properties

Postby dana hu 1B » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:16 pm

Enthalpy is a state function because it depends only on the state of the system and not on the path taken to reach its value.
Heat & work are the forms of energy in transit. They appear only when there occurs any change in the state of the system and the surroundings. They don't exist before or after the change of the state, therefore not state properties.

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Re: state properties

Postby Caelin Brenninkmeijer 1G » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:36 pm

Heat is not a state function because it is not an intrinsic property of a system whereas enthalpy is a state function because it only needs the initial and final states of the system and not the path taken.

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Re: state properties

Postby Annika Tamaki 1E » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:57 pm

State properties focus on the destination, instead of the path taken. So for enthalpy and other state properties, it doesn't matter what happens in between, only the final and initial values. However, heat is specifically measuring the path taken because amount of heat differs for different pathways. Hope this helps!

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Re: state properties

Postby SashaAnand2J » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:38 pm

Hi Mary!
While enthalpy does not change for a particular reaction, regardless of pathway, heat for a reaction may change depending on the pathway taken. This means heat is not a state function. It is pathway-dependent.

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Re: state properties

Postby Jarrett Sung 3B » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:59 pm

Enthalpy just depends on the initial and final states, while heat is what appears when there is a change in enthalpy or work. Heat depends on the path taken instead of the start and end points.

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Re: state properties

Postby Ashley Wagner 2A » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:02 pm

Heat is dependent on its pathway which makes it not a state function. In contrast, enthalpy is independent of its path, which makes it a state function. Furthermore, enthalpy, unlike heat, only relies on the initial and final value.

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Re: state properties

Postby Gicelle Rubin 1E » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:05 pm

Thank you for asking, I was also wondering the same thing!

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Re: state properties

Postby 305614361 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:16 am

Because heat represents the transfer of energy to or from a system as a result of temperature

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Re: state properties

Postby Sabrina Galvan 3J » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:15 am

Enthalpy only depends on the final and initial states, meaning it is not dependent on the path it takes to get there. Heat is not calculated the same way.

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Re: state properties

Postby Randi Ruelas 1G » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:18 am

Enthalpy is the amount of heat released or absorbed at a constant pressure. Heat is not a state function because it is only to transfer energy in or out of a system; it depends on pathways.

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Re: state properties

Postby Teti Omilana 1G » Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:11 am

Heat isn't a state function because it depends on pathways, and enthalpy depends on the initial and final states.

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Re: state properties

Postby Rachael Cohen 3G » Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:40 am

Enthalpy is a state function because it does not depend on the pathway of a reaction. Heat, on the other hand, is a property intrinsic to a certain species and its formation, so it is dependent on the pathway.

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Re: state properties

Postby Diana Aguilar 3H » Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:56 pm

Like many others have stated, heat is not a state function because it depends on the pathway of the reaction, while enthalpy does not rely on the pathway, only the initial and final states of the reaction matter.


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