dipole moments
Moderators: Chem_Mod, Chem_Admin
dipole moments
I remember Dr.Lavelle discussing dipole moments and how the vectors of the molecules have to cancel in order to be polar. This week in discussion, my TA said something about the length in a vector, how would you know the length?
-
- Posts: 34
- Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:05 am
Re: dipole moments
Maybe they were talking about the strength of a vector? I'm curious about this too. Also, dipole moments are just created when two atoms have a difference in electronegativities, right?
-
- Posts: 22
- Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:02 am
Re: dipole moments
I was wondering the same exact thing and found this video online to be very helpful in understanding how to determine the length of a vector during a dipole-dipole moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ium2E9zKGLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ium2E9zKGLE
-
- Posts: 23858
- Joined: Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:53 pm
- Has upvoted: 1253 times
Re: dipole moments
C-F vs. C-Cl bonds have different bond polarities since their magnitudes of electronegativity differences are not the same. So their dipole moment vectors will have a different magnitude or size (which is probably what your TA was referring to).
So just roughly speaking, C-F bond will have a dipole moment of -------> while C-Cl bond would have a dipole moment of ---> because of the differences mentioned above. So when determining polarity, you must also consider the magnitude in addition to direction.
So just roughly speaking, C-F bond will have a dipole moment of -------> while C-Cl bond would have a dipole moment of ---> because of the differences mentioned above. So when determining polarity, you must also consider the magnitude in addition to direction.
-
- Posts: 31
- Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:00 am
Re: dipole moments
Because of the higher strength of electronegativity - would the C-Cl bond be considered more polar?
-
- Posts: 23858
- Joined: Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:53 pm
- Has upvoted: 1253 times
-
- Posts: 28
- Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:02 am
- Been upvoted: 1 time
Re: dipole moments
One thing I think is important to generally note here as we are talking about polarity is that the differences in electronegativity merely suggest the relative polarity of a molecule. By that I mean to say that ionic bonds are not fundamentally, irrevocably different covalent bonds, but are rather a sort of augmentation of trends which already persist in covalent bonds. The line between bonds which are considered covalent and ionic is most clearly shown to be blurred with the "polar covalent bond" label, though ionic bonds are really just "very polar covalent bonds" with atoms of such electronegativity disparity as to cause the atoms to behave differently -- exchanging electrons rather than merely sharing them.
-
- Posts: 31
- Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:05 am
Re: dipole moments
I think they were probably talking about the strength. The polar bonds may not cancel if one is stronger than the other.
-
- Posts: 34
- Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:05 am
Re: dipole moments
Just to confirm - an increase in the difference between electronegativity will lead to a larger dipole?
-
- Posts: 44
- Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:01 am
Re: dipole moments
Yeah, he larger the difference in Electronegativity, the more powerful the dipole moment. Also, if there is a strong dipole moment and there is a very unfair sharing of electrons, then the bond is weaker. This is why polar bonds are weaker than nonpolar bonds. Equal sharing = stronger bond= nonpolar bond= no dipole movements or partial charges.
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests