Stable Condition


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Stable Condition

Postby TiffanyL1G » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:05 pm

I am a bit confused about the stable condition and the equation used to calculate it. Is a molecule or atom the most stable when it's Lewis Structure is equal to zero or is it the most stable when it is equal to the charge? Like for [SO4]2-, is the molecule most stable when the Lewis Structure is equal to zero or minus two?

Also does a negative number just indicate a negative charge of x amount of electron? What about a positive number, does it mean the molecule or atom lost x amount of electrons?

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Re: Stable Condition

Postby Elisa Bass 4L » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:08 pm

I’m not sure if this is what you’re asking, but for the second part of your question, a molecule is negative when it has more electrons than it does positive charge from protons to even it out and positive when it has fewer electrons than it does protons as a whole.

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Re: Stable Condition

Postby TiffanyL1G » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:45 am

Thanks for answering the second part! But for the first part I was confused on the example he gave for sulfate, (SO4)2-. I know that sulfate has a negative charge of 2 electrons, so I thought the most stable condition would be when the Formal Charge equals minus 2. Or is it when it equals 0? I remember Dr. Lavelle claiming the most stable state will be equal to zero, so I was wondering if the negative or positive charge of a molecule affects the formal charge?

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Re: Stable Condition

Postby Ray Guo 4C » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:58 am

I think a molecule is the most stable when the formal charge of each atom, instead of the whole molecule, is zero. In SO4 we can't organize electrons in the way that every atom has a formal charge of 0, and the SO4 with a 2- charge is the most stable one we can get which has a structure with least formal charges on each atom.

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Re: Stable Condition

Postby Sophie Roberts 1E » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:48 pm

I believe molecules are always the most stable when the formal charge is equal to zero because that shows that the molecule is neutral.

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Re: Stable Condition

Postby Linh Vo 2J » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:22 am

I believe that it is always desirable to make the formal charge of a compound ultimately zero because it shows that a molecule is neutral, if we can. However, with the example compound you gave [SO4]-2, it is not possible to make the formal charge zero, thus we would have to strive to make the formal charge equal to the 2- original charge.

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Re: Stable Condition

Postby Cameron_Greenberg_3C » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:45 am

The charge of individual atoms that make up the ion should always be zero or as close to zero as possible. Atoms are most stable at that point and they always tend towards their lowest energy state. Even in an ion with 2- charge, the formal charge of each atom should be close to 0, not -2.

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Re: Stable Condition

Postby Karina Jiayu Xu 4E » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:38 pm

I might be wrong but I think Dr. Lavelle said that the molecule is the most stable when the FC is equal to 0

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Re: Stable Condition

Postby Arlene Linares 3A » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:51 pm

905157345 wrote:I am a bit confused about the stable condition and the equation used to calculate it. Is a molecule or atom the most stable when it's Lewis Structure is equal to zero or is it the most stable when it is equal to the charge? Like for [SO4]2-, is the molecule most stable when the Lewis Structure is equal to zero or minus two?

Also does a negative number just indicate a negative charge of x amount of electron? What about a positive number, does it mean the molecule or atom lost x amount of electrons?



In the example you gave the center which is S will have 2 electrons on it and outside the brackets will just be a negative sign.


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