H, He, Li, Be Rule

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Henry Krasner 1C
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H, He, Li, Be Rule

Postby Henry Krasner 1C » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:21 pm

Is there any specific reason that the first four elements on the periodic table DON'T need an octet?

Annalyn Diaz 1J
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Re: H, He, Li, Be Rule

Postby Annalyn Diaz 1J » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:23 pm

I would think that the first four elements on the periodic table don't need an octet because they would rather lose electrons than gain them. It would be very difficult and unstable if they were to somehow try to get an octet.

timschaeffer Dis 1J
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Re: H, He, Li, Be Rule

Postby timschaeffer Dis 1J » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:53 pm

Another way to think about it is that to have 8 valence electrons for an octet you need to have at least an s-orbital (2 electrons) and a p-orbital(6 electrons) in the outermost energy shell.

The first 4 elements fill up as far as the 1s and 2s orbitals but never reach any p-orbital at all. Trying to get to an octet for these elements would mean having to establish a p-orbital AND fill it up. This would take way more energy than just staying with completely full s-orbitals.

Jasmine Reddy DIS 1E
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Re: H, He, Li, Be Rule

Postby Jasmine Reddy DIS 1E » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:21 pm

As others have said, hydrogen, helium, lithium, and beryllium only have s subshells. Each s subshell can only hold 2 e-. These elements do not have the p subshells required to hold 8 valence e-.


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