how is kinetics different?

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Kathryn 1F
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how is kinetics different?

Postby Kathryn 1F » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:50 pm

How is kinetics different from thermodynamic? won't they both still tell which direction the reaction will proceed?

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby Noah Cook 3O » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:52 pm

Kinetics is based on the rate of the reaction, and can give information on certain concentrations, whereas Thermodynamics centers on energy and heat and how those relate to the reaction.

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby Jennifer Torres 2L » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:04 pm

Kinetics is about the rate at which things react (quickly, slowly) while thermodynamics is about stability in different states. One focuses on movement and change while the other on stability. It may also be noted they have different quantities. Free energy vs activation energy.

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby Jacob Bershatski 4C » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:24 pm

Thermodynamics deals with the amount of energy absorbed or released during a reaction, while kinetics deals with the speed of a reaction.

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby josephperez_2C » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:54 pm

Kinetics relates to how quickly a reaction reaches equilibrium while Thermodynamics relates to the energy stored in a reaction.

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby 904914909 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:41 am

Thermo talks about the amount of energy transferred while kinetics talks about the rate that energy is transferred

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby deepto_mizan1H » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:56 pm

Another aspect of kinetics is that we're considering rates (derivatives), which become time and activity dependent. This helps to give a context in exactly what we're analyzing in terms of the reaction. In thermodynamics, we didn't particularly study any rates of activity.

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby Brian Hom 2F » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:02 pm

Thermodynamics tells us if a forward or reverse reaction is favored. Kinetics tells us how fast the reaction is and the likelihood of the reaction occurring. Just because a reaction is thermodynamically favored does not mean it is kinetically favored. For example, the reaction of diamond to graphite is spontaneous, but diamond is kinetically stable with respect to graphite due to the large activation energy.

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby Nina Do 4L » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:15 pm

With respect to thermo, it tells us the spontaneity of a reaction and if it will occur. Kinetics allows us to determine the rate at which the reaction occurs, assuming that all reactions happen.

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby Ian Marquez 2K » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:54 pm

Like the other responses, thermodynamics gives no information based on time or the rate of the reaction. This information involves activation energy, which is a study included in kinetics. Kinetics focused on the rate of the reaction itself whereas thermodynamics can say if a reaction were to be spontaneous.

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby Raj_Bains_2C » Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:22 pm

Thermodynamics only cares about the initial and final states, while kinetics focuses on the pathway of the reaction.

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby MackenziePerillo-1L » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:19 am

Raj_Bains_2C wrote:Thermodynamics only cares about the initial and final states, while kinetics focuses on the pathway of the reaction.


Thermodynamics only cares about the initial and final states unless you are considering heat and work, both of which are not state functions

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby Niveda_B_3I » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:36 am

Kinetics tells you the rate of the reaction; a reaction might be deemed spontaneous due to thermodynamics, but sometimes that reaction occurs very slowly. Kinetics tells you how fast or slow that reaction occurs.

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby Calvin Patel 2H » Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:41 am

Thermo deals with change in energy. Kinetics deals with change in rxn rates

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby Erin Kim 2G » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:32 pm

Thermodynamics determines the spontaneity of the reaction, but will not tell if the reaction will occur slowly or quickly. We use kinetics to determine the rate of the actual reaction, dependent on the rate law constant; if the activation energy is high then the constant will be smaller and vice versa.

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby Aili Ye 4L » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:32 pm

Thermodynamics deals with the spontaneity of a reaction whereas kinetics deals with the speed of a reaction.

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby KHuang1L » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:50 pm

Kinetics helps us determine the rate of the reaction, while thermodynamics is used to determine whether the reaction is favorable.

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Re: how is kinetics different?

Postby Hannah Yates 1K » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:19 pm

Even if someone is thermodynamically favored, the reaction may not occur becasue of the rate of reaction. For example, Graphite is more Thermodynamically favored than diamond, but the activation energy for that reaction is extremely high for some reason so Diamond will never spontaneously turn into Graphite


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