Linear VSEPR model

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Linear VSEPR model

Postby Marni Kahn 1A » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:56 pm

I know that when the central atom has only two bonding pairs as far as possible, forming an 180 degree angle, it is considered to be a linear shape, but what if the central atom has lone pairs in addition to the two bonds?

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Kate Osborne 1H » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:59 pm

If the central atom has either zero or three non bonding electron domains in addition to the two bonding it is linear but any other number would be some other shape.

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Katherine Chhen 3I » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:00 pm

So the number of lone pairs can also determine the molecular shape of a molecule?

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Kate Osborne 1H » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:01 pm

In lecture Dr. Lavelle only went over examples where there are no lone pairs, but yes lone pairs do influence shape and I believe we will learn about it on Friday during lecture.

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby SGonzales_3L » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:03 pm

Kate Osborne 1B wrote:If the central atom has either zero or three non bonding electron domains in addition to the two bonding it is linear but any other number would be some other shape.

Yes, we haven't learned it yet, but lone pairs also influence the shape of molecules due to electron-electron repulsions. In the book, it is discussed in section 2E.2, so I think we'll learn it very soon.

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Diana Chavez-Carrillo 2L » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:26 pm

Katherine Chhen 3I wrote:So the number of lone pairs can also determine the molecular shape of a molecule?

Yes, lone pairs can influence the molecular shape of a molecule but as mentioned by the previous responses we have not gone over it yet. However, to have an idea of some examples I provided an image below that shows you some shapes with lone pairs. I think it would be good to just see them and have an idea of how they look so when Lavelle does go over it you have some idea of how the shapes with lone pairs look like. Hope that helps :)
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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Callum Guo 1H » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:38 pm

Lone pairs on the central atom adds a domain onto the central atom so it would not be linear. For example if you had H2O, the electron geometry would be tetrahedral because of 2 O-H bonds and 2 lone pairs.

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby KBELTRAMI_1E » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:39 pm

Marni Kahn 3E wrote:I know that when the central atom has only two bonding pairs as far as possible, forming an 180 degree angle, it is considered to be a linear shape, but what if the central atom has lone pairs in addition to the two bonds?


I was also confused about this in the homework, I think it depends on the angle? not sure

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby KBELTRAMI_1E » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:40 pm

Diana Chavez-Carrillo 3J wrote:
Katherine Chhen 3I wrote:So the number of lone pairs can also determine the molecular shape of a molecule?

Yes, lone pairs can influence the molecular shape of a molecule but as mentioned by the previous responses we have not gone over it yet. However, to have an idea of some examples I provided an image below that shows you some shapes with lone pairs. I think it would be good to just see them and have an idea of how they look so when Lavelle does go over it you have some idea of how the shapes with lone pairs look like. Hope that helps :)


wait so for the photo what would 1 lone pair look like for the first row

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Minh Ngo 4G » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:43 pm

The lone pair does affect the shape because of the repulsion so it pushes the two bonds downward more. The shape wouldn’t be linear since the angle is no longer 180.

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Diana Chavez-Carrillo 2L » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:11 pm

KBELTRAMI_4I wrote:
Diana Chavez-Carrillo 3J wrote:
Katherine Chhen 3I wrote:So the number of lone pairs can also determine the molecular shape of a molecule?

Yes, lone pairs can influence the molecular shape of a molecule but as mentioned by the previous responses we have not gone over it yet. However, to have an idea of some examples I provided an image below that shows you some shapes with lone pairs. I think it would be good to just see them and have an idea of how they look so when Lavelle does go over it you have some idea of how the shapes with lone pairs look like. Hope that helps :)


wait so for the photo what would 1 lone pair look like for the first row


If you have two atoms attached to the central atom and have 1 lone pair then it would be bent. But if you have only one atom attached to the central atom and 1 lone pair then it would be linear. Here is another chart-like image that I think can help you out more when it comes to lone pairs. That's how I've come to understand it but if I am wrong please correct me.
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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Nuoya Jiang » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:54 pm

That would be a bent shape. I believe we'll talk about this in a few days.

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Katherine Chhen 3I » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:56 am

Ohh so only the number of atoms bound to the central atom determines the molecular shape.

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby emma brinton_3B » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:03 pm

It varies depending on the atom of lone pairs. To be honest i would recommend memorizing the VSEPR formula and the shape. Linear models are AX2, AX2E3, and AX2E4.

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Catherine Daye 1L » Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:48 pm

A molecule has a linear shape if it is bonded to 2 atoms and has no lone pairs, or bonded to 2 atoms and has 3 lone pairs.

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Snigdha Uppu 1G » Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:56 pm

You determine VSEPR based on the regions of electron density, and lone pairs attached to the central atom are considered another region of electron density.

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Kaitlynn Tran 3F » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:28 pm

If it has 0, 3, or 4 lone pairs, the molecular shape will be linear. However, if it has 1 or 2 lone pairs, the molecular shape will be bent.

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Katherine Chhen 3I » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:22 pm

Kaitlynn Tran 3F wrote:If it has 0, 3, or 4 lone pairs, the molecular shape will be linear. However, if it has 1 or 2 lone pairs, the molecular shape will be bent.

Ohh okay, thank you!

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby ramiro_romero » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:33 pm

it will create a bent molecular shape

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Gwen Casillan Dis 1I » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:38 pm

So if the central atom has lone pairs in addition to the bods, then the molecular shape will be bent due to the additional repulsion that the lone pairs have on the other atoms/bonded pair electrons.

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Maika Ngoie 1B » Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:44 pm

If the molecule had 1 or 2 lone pairs it would then become bent. If it had 3, that would make it linear

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Re: Linear VSEPR model

Postby Aarushi Solanki 4F » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:02 pm

Lone pairs impact the bond angle due to lone pair-bonding pair repulsion, decreasing the angle.


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