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Degeneracy

Postby Eesha Chattopadhyay 2K » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:09 pm

I understand that degeneracy is the number of ways that a given energy state is achieved but what exactly is degeneracy used for?

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Re: Degeneracy

Postby KnarGeghamyan1B » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:28 pm

Degeneracy can be used to describe systems when the systems are of different states, such as solid, liquid, or gas, but equal in energy levels.

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Re: Degeneracy

Postby asannajust_1J » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:57 pm

Degeneracy is a way to quantify the possible number of positions a particular species can form. In relation to entropy, it can be seen as the number of Microstates/positions that are possible for a particular system.

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Re: Degeneracy

Postby Charlene Datu 2E » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:10 pm

asannajust_1J wrote:Degeneracy is a way to quantify the possible number of positions a particular species can form. In relation to entropy, it can be seen as the number of Microstates/positions that are possible for a particular system.


How do you determine the number of positions/microstates?

Kylie Lim 4G
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Re: Degeneracy

Postby Kylie Lim 4G » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:14 pm

In class we determined the number of microstates by using the equation 2^N, where N is the number of atoms and 2 represents a 2-state system

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Re: Degeneracy

Postby Vincent Leong 2B » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:25 pm

Degeneracy is directly related to entropy and helps find positional entropy. With entropy solved, we can use delta H and entropy in an equation we'll learn later on to determine whether an equation is spontaneous or not.

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Re: Degeneracy

Postby 705302428 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:59 pm

We use the equation n^2. We use 2 because it's a two-state system and N represents the number of particles.

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Re: Degeneracy

Postby Kylie Lim 4G » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:30 pm

W, degeneracy is used in the equation S = kB*ln(W) to find the residual or positional entropy of a system

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Re: Degeneracy

Postby CameronDis2K » Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:55 pm

For this course, it can be used to calculate entropy via the Boltzmann equation, that is S = Kb * ln W, where W is the degeneracy. In general larger molecules will have greater degeneracy. However, this equation has a lot of error associated with it, as its relying on a whole number and a defined value to calculate the entropy value.

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Re: Degeneracy

Postby Leila_4G » Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:11 pm

Isn't degeneracy used for the entropy equation (S=kBlnW)?


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