R constants

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R constants

Postby Tatum Keichline 2B » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:05 pm

How do we know which value of R to use because aren't there two values? I know we usually use 8.3145, but when would we use the other value?

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Re: R constants

Postby Jim Brown 14B Lec1 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:10 pm

It depends on the constants and what needs to cancel. Both values should be provided so you just have to look at the question. It should usually be 8.314 J/k.mol

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Re: R constants

Postby monikac4k » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:24 am

Whenever using the ideal gas equation (pv=rnt) we want to use the R constant with units of L*atm*mol^-1*K^-1 because the units will cancel.
When solving for work or entropy, we usually use the one that 8.314 J/mol*K because the units cancel out and leave us with J.
In order to be absolutely sure, just take a look at the units you already have, consider the units you want for your answer, and select the R-value with units that will get you to your desired answer.

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Re: R constants

Postby Shibhon_Shepard » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:14 pm

The best way to determine this is just to look if you can cancel out all the units.

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Re: R constants

Postby Alysa Rallistan 2G » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:21 am

One of the good things about the final is we are given the constants sheet with all the gas constants given to us, but like previously stated, the best way to approach a problem where you have to use an R constant is to look at the values and units given and use the constant with most (if not all) the units and you should be able to come to the right answer without error

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Re: R constants

Postby 205389184 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:26 pm

The value of R we use depends on the units of the problem you are trying to solve.

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Re: R constants

Postby Venus_Hagan 2L » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:27 pm

The value of R changes based on the units. All of them are given on the equation sheet, so just look to see what units the problem has given you and choose the appropriate one

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Re: R constants

Postby Maria Poblete 2C » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:40 pm

It is important to look at the units of what the problem includes. All of the R constants will be provided on the equation sheet, so when you need to use the R constant, consider what units you are using and use the constant that aligns with these units.

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Re: R constants

Postby Michelle Song 1I » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:07 pm

The way you determine is by looking at the units you have.

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Re: R constants

Postby AniP_2D » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:39 pm

A quick way of determining which R value to use is to look at the units given to you. The units you would need to cancel out should correspond with that of the R value you use.

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Re: R constants

Postby Jasmine Vallarta 2L » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:12 pm

it depends on what units are given in the problem; each R value has a different set of units

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Re: R constants

Postby Matt Sanruk 2H » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:15 pm

So .08206 is used for non energy related questions?

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Re: R constants

Postby DesireBrown1J » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:11 pm

For which problems on the equation sheet will we ever use R=8.314*10-2 L*bar*K-1*mol-1?

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Re: R constants

Postby Donna Nguyen 2L » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:46 am

It generally depends on what units are given to you in the problem, then you base which R to use off of that.

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Re: R constants

Postby Matt Sanruk 2H » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:18 am

So we would look at what would cancel out in order to get the answer we want for example L, atm, J

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Re: R constants

Postby Verity Lai 2K » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:11 am

I always look at the units of the information given to me and find the value of R that has most of the same units.

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Re: R constants

Postby Ying Yan 1F » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:51 pm

Look at the units of the constant and units of the problem to determine which constant to use! Usually, when doing thermodynamics we will be using 8.314. Hope that helps!

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Re: R constants

Postby Anish Natarajan 4G » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:09 pm

It primarily depends on the units used; as a general rule 0.08206 works when you're using ideal gas law and 8.314 works for calculating deltaS since it does the conversion from L atm to joules for you

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Re: R constants

Postby pmokh14B » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:11 pm

it depends on the units of the other variables in the equation/calculation you are doing.

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Re: R constants

Postby Emily Lo 1J » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:15 pm

You just have to make sure that you have the right units with the R value. For the most part in thermochemistry we used 8.314 but like in an instance of using PV=nRT, we would use the other R values.

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Re: R constants

Postby Amy Kumar 1I » Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:31 pm

Make sure your units cancel out and the unit for pressure (bar, atm, Torr) matches the unit for the pressure value in the question.

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Re: R constants

Postby kausalya_1k » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:55 pm

You would use the constant that has all the units that you need to cancel out
so if you are given a volume in L, a pressure in atm, and a temperature given in K, you would use R=.0206 L*atm/(K*mol)

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Re: R constants

Postby Karen Elrayes 1L » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:32 pm

As everyone said, I would look at the units you are given and the units you are trying to reach and choose the one the fits where you can cancel out the units u don't want in the final answer

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Re: R constants

Postby Lauren Mungo 1K » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:33 pm

You just have to look at the units and pick the value of R that will cancel them out.

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Re: R constants

Postby John_Tran_3J » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:37 pm

First looks at the units, the most common constant used is 8.314

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Re: R constants

Postby sabrina ghalambor 2J » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:40 pm

depending on the unites, we will use a different value of R. all are listed on the constants sheet. if you have a problem that has L.atm, you would use .08206. if the problem is with joules, you use 8.314

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Re: R constants

Postby joshtully » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:44 pm

Check the units of the equation to determine which R value to use.

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Re: R constants

Postby Madison Muggeo 3H » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:43 am

Hi! It depends on the units that you're trying to cancel. When using the ideal gas law, it is usually .08206L*atm(or bar)/K*mol. When trying to solve for J you would use 8.314 J*/K*mol. Hope that helps! :)

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Re: R constants

Postby Brian Nguyen 2I » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:26 am

Try to remember the units of R in order to solve. Look at the context of the situation by looking at the units in the equation you're trying to solve, and make sure that the R you use properly cancels out the units.

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Re: R constants

Postby Adrienne Yuh 2B » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:16 am

The equation sheets have the units so make sure to check the units of given information.

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Re: R constants

Postby Simer_Shera_2D » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:50 pm

We use different R's depending on the units of whatever you're trying to calculate. It helps to write out a complete equation with units since you can see what cancels and which R is needed to complete the equation.

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Re: R constants

Postby Pranav Daggubati 3C » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:39 pm

For this class, most of the time we use the 8.314 constant because we need it to cancel units. Everything depends on the units you are working with.

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Re: R constants

Postby Justin Lin 1B » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:41 pm

Make sure to look out for what units you are given. Those can help you determine what R constant would be the best to use.

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Re: R constants

Postby DavidTabib 3H » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:16 pm

I always look at the units and go from there. When there are liters and atm, the 8.206 x 10^-2 is teh correct R.

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Re: R constants

Postby Hannah Lechtzin 1K » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:18 pm

You'll use the other R values when you have different units. For example you use 8.314 when your units include Joules. 8.206x10^-2 on the other hand is L(atm)/(K)(mol). This is typically used for things like the ideal gas equation, but its best to check your units each time.

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Re: R constants

Postby Diana Aguilar 3H » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:22 pm

You would most likely have to look at the units given and then from there determine which R value/constant is best to use.

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Re: R constants

Postby Anthony_Sandoval_1D » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:24 pm

It depends on the problem. You have to look at the constants but the majority of problems use the constant 8.314.

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Re: R constants

Postby Nina Ellefsen 2D » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:26 pm

Usually I like to look to see which units are given for other values in the problem and go off of that :)

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Re: R constants

Postby Lily Anne Garcia 1C » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:27 pm

8.314 is common for this unit

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Re: R constants

Postby joshtully » Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:01 am

Use 8.3145

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Re: R constants

Postby joshtully » Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:01 am

Also check units.


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