Positive or negative work

$w=-P\Delta V$
and
$w=-\int_{V_{1}}^{V_{2}}PdV=-nRTln\frac{V_{2}}{V_{1}}$

Petrina Kan 2I
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Positive or negative work

Is work positive when work is done on the system? I am finding varying answers online which is making me confused.

Morgan Carrington 2H
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Re: Positive or negative work

The answer can vary depending on which perspective you are looking at, but when focusing on the system work is positive when work is done on it.

Long Luong 2H
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Re: Positive or negative work

I like to think of a bicycle pump. When you push the pump down, you are exerting a positive force in work on the pump. However, if the gas were to push back against you, it is counteracting your work, so it’s negative work done by the pump (system).

Gurmukhi Bevli 4G
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Re: Positive or negative work

It depends but generally it would be positive when work is being done on the system and negative when the system is performing work on the surroundings

Justin Seok 2A
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Re: Positive or negative work

When work is done on the system, it is positive, and when the system does work on its surroundings, it is negative.

Connor Chappell 2B
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Re: Positive or negative work

When work is done on the system, work is positive. This is due to the fact that the reaction's capacity to do work has INCREASED. The same can be said for a reaction where work is done on the surroundings and the sign is negative because the reaction has lost energy to its surroundings in the form of work.

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Re: Positive or negative work

When work is done on the system it is positive and when work is done by the system it is negative

aphung1E
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Re: Positive or negative work

I am confused as well especially when utilizing the equation W=-nRT sometimes the solution is positive work instead of negative. How can I tell if it’s negative or positive even if the equation has a negative sign in it?

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Re: Positive or negative work

if you have a system that work is done on then the work of the system will be positive, if you have a system and work is done by it then work of the system will be negative. I think of it as the system is using energy to do some work on the outside so it is losing that energy.

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Re: Positive or negative work

If the system does the work, the work is negative.

Eunice Nguyen 4I
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Re: Positive or negative work

Work is negative if the system does work on surroundings, while being positive if the surroundings do work on the system.

Anna Heckler 2C
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Re: Positive or negative work

Determining the sign of work is based on what you decide is your system and what is your surroundings - it's relative. Positive work means that work was done on the system, so it gains energy. Negative work means that work was done by the system, and the system loses energy.

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Re: Positive or negative work

If you have work being done on the system then work will be positive, and if work is being done by the system then work will be a negative value.

Matthew Tsai 2H
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Re: Positive or negative work

Generally we refer to everything from the perspective of the system, which means that positive work means that work is being done on the system. You can also think of doing work ON some system as adding energy to it, so it makes sense that work is positive.

ramiro_romero
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Re: Positive or negative work

When work is done on the system, it is positive. When work is done by the system onto surroundings, it is negative. If the system exerts force on its surroundings, the system itself loses energy, explaining the negative value.

Joowon Seo 3A
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Re: Positive or negative work

work is positive when it is done on the system. When the system does work, the work is negative.