4E.5, 4E.7

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Reina Robles 2B
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4E.5, 4E.7

Postby Reina Robles 2B » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:17 pm

I'm getting almost all of the answers wrong for these two questions and I'm not sure why. Any help is appreciated, thanks!

4E.5
a) 3C2H2 (g) --> C6H6 (g)
What I did:
[3(837)] + [6(-348)] = 423 kJ.mol-1
Textbook answer: -587 kJ.mol-1

4E.7
a) N2 (g) + 3F2 (g) --> 2NF3 (g)
[944+(3*158)] + [6(-270)] = -169 kJ.mol-1
Textbook answer: -202 kJ.mol-1

b) CH3CHCH2 (g) + H20 (g) --> CH3CH(OH)CH3 (g)
[612+463] + [-348-412] = 315 kJ.mol-1
Textbook answer: -45 kJ.mol-1

c) CH4 (g) + Cl2 (g) --> CH3Cl (g) + HCl (g)
[412+242] + [-338-421] = 273 kJ.mol-1
Textbook answer: -115 kJ.mol-1

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Re: 4E.5, 4E.7

Postby AArmellini_1I » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:27 pm

4E.5
3(837)kJ/mol - 6(518)kJ/mol = -597 kJ/mol
4E.7
a)
1(944)kJ/mol + 3(158)kJ/mol - 6(270)kJ/mol = -202kJ/mol
b)
1(463)kJ/mol + 1(612)kJ/mol - 1(412)kJ/mol - 1(360)kJ/mol - 1(348)kJ/mol = -45kJ/mol
c)
1(412)kJ/mol + 1(242)kJ/mol - 1(338)kJ/mol - 1(431)kJ/mol = -115 kJ/mol

Hope this helps!

Luc Zelissen 1K
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Re: 4E.5, 4E.7

Postby Luc Zelissen 1K » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:37 pm

For 4.E.5,
Looking at the lewis structure for C2H2 gives us 1 C-C triple bond, which has an enthalpy of 837, and also 2 C-H bonds which have a combined value of 824. Add these 2 numbers and multiply by the moles, which is 3, and you get the total enthalpy for C2H2, 4983. For benzene, the table of bond enthalpies makes a special note about benzene and its C-C bond resonance structures which gives an altered value of 518, which is then multiplied by 6 because of the 6 bonds. It also has 6 C-H bonds, each of which has 412, which gives the total enthalpy of benzene of -5580. Then you add these 2 values up and get 4983+(-5580)=-597

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Re: 4E.5, 4E.7

Postby Justin Vayakone 1C » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:40 pm

For 4E.5) you used the C-C bond enthalpy (-348kJ/mol) when it should be the C-H bond enthalpy which is 518kJ/mol

For 4E.7)
a) Your work looks right. You should be getting -202 kJ/mol. Maybe you plugged it into your calculator wrong?
b) You forgot to include the bond enthalpy of C-C in the products. Since you included the C=C double bond in the reactants, a C-C bond has to be formed to reconnect the two carbons.
c) Your work "[412+242] + [-338-421]" should equal -105 kJ/mol, but you say you got 273 kJ/mol. Plugged it into the calculator wrong again? Anyways, the only mistake here in your work is that the bond enthalpy of H-Cl bond is 431 kJ/mol, not 421. So the answer should be [412+242] + [-338-431] = -115 kJ/mol.

Reina Robles 2B
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Re: 4E.5, 4E.7

Postby Reina Robles 2B » Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:16 pm

Thank you!

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Re: 4E.5, 4E.7

Postby Marco Morales 2G » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:52 am

Luc Zelissen 1K wrote:For 4.E.5,
Looking at the lewis structure for C2H2 gives us 1 C-C triple bond, which has an enthalpy of 837, and also 2 C-H bonds which have a combined value of 824. Add these 2 numbers and multiply by the moles, which is 3, and you get the total enthalpy for C2H2, 4983. For benzene, the table of bond enthalpies makes a special note about benzene and its C-C bond resonance structures which gives an altered value of 518, which is then multiplied by 6 because of the 6 bonds. It also has 6 C-H bonds, each of which has 412, which gives the total enthalpy of benzene of -5580. Then you add these 2 values up and get 4983+(-5580)=-597



thank you for this, this really clarified everything for me.

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Re: 4E.5, 4E.7

Postby Darren1j » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:40 am

Luc Zelissen 1K wrote:For 4.E.5,
Looking at the lewis structure for C2H2 gives us 1 C-C triple bond, which has an enthalpy of 837, and also 2 C-H bonds which have a combined value of 824. Add these 2 numbers and multiply by the moles, which is 3, and you get the total enthalpy for C2H2, 4983. For benzene, the table of bond enthalpies makes a special note about benzene and its C-C bond resonance structures which gives an altered value of 518, which is then multiplied by 6 because of the 6 bonds. It also has 6 C-H bonds, each of which has 412, which gives the total enthalpy of benzene of -5580. Then you add these 2 values up and get 4983+(-5580)=-597


I wasn't adding those 2 C-H bonds to the enthalpy and also couldn't figure out the resonance part. Thank you for the concise answer.

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Re: 4E.5, 4E.7

Postby jessicasilverstein1F » Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:17 am

For these questions it is important to draw out all lewis structures in the correct way. Then you can use this to subtract the reactions bonds minus products


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