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closed system

Postby Alison Trinh 1E » Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:24 pm

Why is it that closed systems prevent volume changes?

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Re: closed system

Postby vpena_1I » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:54 am

By definition, a closed system does not allow for the exchange of matter. A closed water bottle is an example of a closed system, its volume will not change over the course of the reaction.

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Re: closed system

Postby kennedyp » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:10 am

Because it doesn't allow for the exchange of matter. For example, let's say you have a shampoo bottle and it falls off the rack while you are taking a shower. Assuming the bottle is capped (closed system) the shampoo will not leak out of the bottle because the bottle doesn't allow that to happen!

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Re: closed system

Postby Jessa Maheras 4F » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:51 am

Actually, closed systems don't prevent volume changes! A system can change in volume and still be closed, as long as no matter is exchanged between the system and surroundings. (Think of a piston)

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Re: closed system

Postby Joshua_Chan_3K » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:14 pm

By definition, a closed system is talking about something like a sealed metal box. Mainly because one of the points of using a closed system is the ability to measure changes in pressure. I don't know if something like a balloon could be called a closed system but I feel like it could so I'm not altogether sure if my explanation is correct.

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Re: closed system

Postby kristinalaudis3e » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:26 pm

Closed systems have a fixed amount of matter and don't allow for the exchange of matter. A clear example would be like the water bottle example mentioned above. A closed water bottle doesn't allow the water inside to leak!

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Re: closed system

Postby Hasan Mirza 3F » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:36 pm

Closed systems have a fixed amount of matter and allow the transfer of energy as heat. Volume can actually be changed in such a system but it would most likely be as a result of a change by the experimenter such as moving a piston up or down to change volume and pressure.

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Re: closed system

Postby Alexis Sanft 1E » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:39 pm

Hasan Mirza 3F wrote:Closed systems have a fixed amount of matter and allow the transfer of energy as heat. Volume can actually be changed in such a system but it would most likely be as a result of a change by the experimenter such as moving a piston up or down to change volume and pressure.

So, does the transfer of energy as heat not effect the volume or the state of matter?

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Re: closed system

Postby 305572629 » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:40 pm

They don’t allow for matter to be exchanged inside and outside of the system!

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Re: closed system

Postby Hana Sigsbee 3B » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:32 pm

A closed system prevents volume change because there is no exchange of matter with the system's surroundings so nothing can leave the system so its volume stays consistent.

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Re: closed system

Postby manisha_joseph_1H » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:43 pm

A closed system means that there is no exchange of matter between the system and its surroundings, therefore the volume of the system cannot change.

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Re: closed system

Postby Leyla Anwar 3B » Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:55 pm

Alexis Sanft 1E wrote:
Hasan Mirza 3F wrote:Closed systems have a fixed amount of matter and allow the transfer of energy as heat. Volume can actually be changed in such a system but it would most likely be as a result of a change by the experimenter such as moving a piston up or down to change volume and pressure.

So, does the transfer of energy as heat not effect the volume or the state of matter?

If a water bottle were heated and some of the water turned to vapor would the volume not change (still inside the closed bottle)? and with that the state of matter from liquid to gas. Im not sure that "matter" would actually change though, there should still be the same amount of matter.

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Re: closed system

Postby sophia kosturos 2B » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:00 pm

closed systems prevent volume changes because the system is sealed and thus does not exchange any matter between the system and its surroundings, which would not allow for changes in volume.

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Re: closed system

Postby Jaden Joodi 3J » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:03 pm

Because a closed system disallows matter from being exchanged, it is impossible for the volume in the system to change.

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Re: closed system

Postby Abhinav Behl 3G » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:26 pm

By definition, a closed system does not allow for the exchange of matter between the system and its surroundings. This makes sense because the system will be sealed, and therefore you should not expect any matter to leave the system, or enter the system from its surroundings.

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Re: closed system

Postby Lauren Sarigumba 1K » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:29 pm

an open system can exchange both matter and energy with the surroundings. However, a closed system has a fixed amount of matter and can only exchange energy with the surroundings. the fixed amount of matter implies that the volume is constant.

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Re: closed system

Postby Sam Wentzel 1F 14B » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:32 pm

I believe closed system's volume can be changed through compression if the substances are gases. For solids and liquids, compression barely effects their volume so they are considered to have constant volume.

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Re: closed system

Postby Samir 3I » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:50 pm

A closed system has a fixed volume of matter in the system and this matter is unable to physically transfer/interact with the outside environment. Only energy can be transferred in or out of the closed system

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Re: closed system

Postby Nicoli Peiris 1B » Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:21 pm

A closed system means no matter in or out which means no volume change.

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Re: closed system

Postby Eileen Quach Dis 2A » Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:09 pm

A closed system has a fixed amount of matter because the system is sealed off, so therefore, substances can't be added or taken away and the volume doesn't change.

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Re: closed system

Postby DPatel_2L » Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:47 pm

Closed systems do not allow for an exchange of matter.

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Re: closed system

Postby Aanya Tanti 3C » Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:56 am

Closed systems do not allow the transfer of matter from inside or outside. Thus, volume would stay the same.

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Re: closed system

Postby Anna Yang 1A » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:44 am

For example, an open system would be a beaker of water without a lid. In this scenario, water can evaporate. In a closed system, the beaker would be sealed and volume would not be lost through that process.

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Re: closed system

Postby SavannahScriven_1F » Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:01 am

I'm a little confused on this too. I think that only certain closed systems prevent volume changes (e.g a sealed beaker). Systems that are closed with a piston do allow for volume changes due to expansion (of gases).

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Re: closed system

Postby aashmi_agrawal_3d » Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:27 pm

This is because there is a fixed amount of matter so the volume can't change as well.

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Re: closed system

Postby FionaHunter21 » Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:29 pm

What's the difference between a closed system and an isolated system? Can an isolated system not absorb heat or lose heat to its surroundings?

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Re: closed system

Postby Taylor Newville 1C » Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:53 pm

FionaHunter21 wrote:What's the difference between a closed system and an isolated system? Can an isolated system not absorb heat or lose heat to its surroundings?


An isolated system is insulated, which means it can't exchange matter or heat with the surroundings. A closed system is not insulated so the only constant is matter, not heat.

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Re: closed system

Postby Ivy Tan 1E » Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:11 am

Hi!
Closed systems prevent volume changes because it does not allow for any exchange of matter between the system and the surroundings. Hope this helps!!

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Re: closed system

Postby Jamie Wang 3C » Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:18 am

imagine you have a water bottle that is sealed closed, you could put the water bottle in another tub of hot water to heat the water inside, but cannot change the volume of the water inside without taking off the lid

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Re: closed system

Postby Inderpal Singh 2L » Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:56 pm

Closed systems do not allow the matter to "escape" into the surroundings. However, the energy can still be exchanged into the surroundings.

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Re: closed system

Postby Lorraine Medina 3E » Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:37 pm

Closed systems don't allow for the exchange of matter. hope this helps!

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Re: closed system

Postby Eric Cruz 2G » Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:50 am

For a closed system, you cannot add matter to the system, volume included. Therefore, no you cannot change the volume of the system.

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Re: closed system

Postby David Jen 1J » Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:17 am

In a closed system, matter cannot be exchanged, thus volume won't change as well

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Re: closed system

Postby DavidTabib 3H » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:33 pm

Being a closed system means that no matter can go in and out, therefore the volume does not change.

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Re: closed system

Postby Joshua Swift » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:39 pm

A closed system does not allow the exchange of matter so the volume remains constant.

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Re: closed system

Postby Justin Lin 1B » Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:22 pm

In a closed system, matter can't be transferred in or out of the system. There is no exchange of matter between the system and the surrounding. This means that the volume can't change because matter doesn't change.

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Re: closed system

Postby Mackenzie Stockton 2H » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:54 am

Closed system means matter is not exchanged between the system and surroundings, so Volume cant be exchanged.

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Re: closed system

Postby Lung Sheng Liang 3J » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:43 pm

A closed system does not interact with any matter outside of it.

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Re: closed system

Postby Sarah Huh 1K » Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:31 pm

A closed system does not allow exchange with its surroundings.

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Re: closed system

Postby Jack_Pearce_2H » Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:44 pm

Closed systems do not allow for the transfer of matter in or out of said system. A volume change usually entails adding or removing gas (matter) so they closed systems are constant volume.

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Re: closed system

Postby James_Hankee_1C » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:15 pm

In a closed system, there is no exchange of matter from the surroundings. The overall volume in whatever state it is in stays the same in the closed system. The states may change in a reaction however, there is no volume change.

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Re: closed system

Postby Aanya Tanti 3C » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:17 pm

A closed system doesn't allow for the exchange of matter, which means that volume will stay constant.

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Re: closed system

Postby kristinalaudis3e » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:48 pm

A closed system does not allow for an exchange of matter. Think of “closed doors” as nothing comes in!

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Re: closed system

Postby Abraham De Luna » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:50 pm

A closed system would not allow for an exchange in matter because it is a fixed amount.


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