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Jessica Jones 2B
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deltaS question

Postby Jessica Jones 2B » Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:13 pm

Hi! In the solutions manual I have seen them go back and forth between using deltaS=nCpln(t2/t1) and deltaS=nRln(t2/t1). I am confused on if we are supposed to be using Cp or R? or base it on the problem. Do you only use Cp when doing the (3/2*R) or (5/2*R)?

Masih Tazhibi 2I
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Re: deltaS question

Postby Masih Tazhibi 2I » Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:52 pm

The 3/2 and 5/2 is for ideal gases that have different properties. For gases that are not ideal, you use the one without Cp.

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Re: deltaS question

Postby Sabah Islam 1G » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:14 pm

The Cp (5/2R) and Cv (3/2R) are the specific heat capacities for ideal gases only. When an ideal gas is not involved in a problem, you would use the value of R.

Anna Li 2E
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Re: deltaS question

Postby Anna Li 2E » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:09 pm

Also when solving equations that involve ideal gases, Cp is used for constant pressure and Cv is used for constant volume. Usually it is specified in the problem whether the ideal gas is under constant pressure/volume so substitute Cp or Cv accordingly.

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Re: deltaS question

Postby McKenna disc 1C » Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:05 pm

The consensus appears to be that we use R for non-ideal gases and Cp or Cv for ideal gases. Should we expect to be told whether or not to assume ideal behavior for the gases in the problems?
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Adrian Lim 1G
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Re: deltaS question

Postby Adrian Lim 1G » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:28 pm

Yes, I believe most of the time, the questions will tell you whether or not it's an ideal gas.

Dang Lam
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Re: deltaS question

Postby Dang Lam » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:47 am

Yes, Cp is use for ideal gas only!!!

aaron tang 2K
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Re: deltaS question

Postby aaron tang 2K » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:16 pm

5/2 and 3/2 are used for specific heat capacities of ideal gases. For the problems in the book, you should only use Cp when dealing with ideal gases, if not, then use R for non-ideal gases


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